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Re: Wow. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r11885656 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:46:36 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:46:36 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11893733 griff1013 : The "review" was an observation by Dave who writes for dslprime.com. I believe it was at some tech show or something. MSFT and CMCSA were not cooperating with the demonstration at all. They were just using a CMCSA HDTV feed as a comparison to the MSFT codec. One of the other posters mentioned later in the thread the exact specifics of the compression and that it is indeed lower in quality. The compression will require a significant amount of horsepower in top of your TV. It will clearly not be an Intel chip, but a MIPS processor from Broadcam probably designed specifically for compression. Will be able to run much slower MHz to keep the heat down and MTBF up.

MSFT is the King of Vaporware and I will have to see it to believe it. I am not sure that something as poorly coded and bloated as Windows will translate well to the set-top experience. In order to make it work like they have talked about, the "computer" would have to be very powerful. That would drive up the cost of the set-top for the cable cos far about the $200 or so they pay MOT and SFA for them. But MSFT has billions to burn and will probably so an X-box type deal with the cable cos - sell the hardware at a significant loss just to make the sale and hope to make it back on the software side. Cable cos also hate service calls as the cost so much. I can't imagine them wanting to get into the service business of a massive MSFT settop box that will allow folks to add additional programs to it. Billions of service calls on that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11893733 Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:10:02 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11890675 rick1991 : I can just see it now. With 5 seconds left in the game its all tied up and it all comes down to a 45 yard field goal attempt. There's the snap. The ball's up. It's looking good. Going going...... ABC HAS CAUSED A FATAL EXCEPTION ERROR IN MEMORY AREA xxx00095475765. WOULD YOU LIKE TO REBOOT, POWER OFF, OR KICK MICROSOFT'S ASS FOR SCREWING AROUND WITH AN APPLIANCE THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS SCREWING AROUND WITH? Superbowl Sunday will never be the same again. LOL :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11890675 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:48:34 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11889787 AthlGrond : They wouldn't they would use a slower single purpose processor which would be much more efficient. (Rather than strapping a PC to the top of your TV)

Not that it matters but my PC is a 3GHz and its whisper quiet since I used quiet components.
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"I drank what?" -Socrates]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11889787 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:59:31 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11889073 yabos : I think the MS HD codec requires a 3GHz CPU to decompress that 6Mbit stream. I don't see how their going to cram a 3GHz cpu in a set top box without making it sound like a jet engine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11889073 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:43:17 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11887854 en102 : Comcast = yuck
I guess they did do one thing correct - they killed hallmark/lifetime/wtn/oxygen channel for you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11887854 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:20:49 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11887773 AthlGrond : Do you have a link for that review all I could find with MS and Comcast in it was a press release saying that Comcast and MS would be working together on TV software (including HD).

»www.microsoft.com/tv/content/Pre···4PR.mspx

I'd be interested in seeing yours though for a more complete picture.
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"I drank what?" -Socrates]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11887773 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:12:05 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11887713 johram : It seems that in the coming years a big question home buyers will be asking is "what kind of high speed internet is availible at this home?".

i totally would prefer a verzion with fiber than an SBC-serviced area.

It will play into my home purchase thats for sure...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11887713 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:04:10 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11887637 zno : nm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11887637 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:53:55 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11887611 johram : Does this mean that SBC will install an RT closer to my home?
I'd love to have faster dsl...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11887611 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:50:20 EDT Re: Wow. /Ether over copper http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11886538 flushls : There are some ethernet techs in the pipe that that should push between 50-100mbs up too 10k feet over 22g copper which would help in the burbs at least.

Now whether the Telco's can find their azzes with both hands a long neck funnel that remains to be seen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11886538 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:51:30 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11886088 griff1013 : I have read reviews from folks who have seen side by side comparisons of the pictures of the MSFT codec and the HDTV stream from Comcast and they indicated that they could clearly see the difference with the MSFT codec and it was significantly worse. I can't see how you are going to get a HDTV customer from a cable company with a worse picture. Folks spend lots of cash on those nice new tvs.

I agree that SBC is just pusing out press releases and lots of vapor ware. As I recall Project Pronto was supposed to be what Project Lightspeed is, but done some 10 years ago. So not holding my breath. FTTH is only way to go now. Cable guys can easiily move to 30mb on the downstream. Comcast should have 95% of their systems up to DOCSIS 1.1 and a good deal to 2.0 for the huge VoIP rollout coming in 2005. That would support up to 100mb downstream. AND they are broadcasting all the video content all at the same time. Changing channles on IPTV is said to be very slow as it has to go to the server change the stream.

I can't wait to reboot my new SBC/MSFT set-top box when I get the BSD!!!! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11886088 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:59:29 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885875 zno :

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True HDTV is 19.2mbps for a single channel.

that's if they use mpeg2.

but if they use MS WMV9 HD codec, it's gonna be about 6Mbps per channel... so you should be able to watch up to 4 channels at a time.

sbc signed w/ microsoft not mpeg... so we'll see.

»www.microsoft.com/windows/window···CIP.aspx
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got anti-virus and firewall?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885875 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:33:48 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885867 mustang03282 : they have people that they pay a small fee each month to wear a recorder that looks just like a old pager. every tv show and radio station puts out a ultra high signal that humans cant hear the meter that these choosen people wear hears that signal and logs it down. I was a arbitron pannelist for about 6 months
lol my wife called up comcast often because lifetime didnt work on our tv's for that 6 months :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885867 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:32:48 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885663 djrobx : True HDTV is 19.2mbps for a single channel.

quote:
"Yeah, I have a 25mbps connection, but I can only use 384k of it because my kids are watching Spongebob."

"Honey, turn off Oxygen, I'm lagging in CS!"

Exactly. Even if we stick with boring old 6mbps DSL speeds, that leaves only 19mbps for all the TV streams in the house. By recompressing HDTV you can get it down to 10mbps. So even with compression, at 25mbps you're limited to just two channels. If they want to do TV they're probably going to have to dedicate a pair just for TV, and use another pair for voice/broadband.

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got anti-virus and firewall?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885632 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:01:52 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885533 electric_dsl : they already know what you are watching and probably for how long as well. How do you think they compile those viewer stats and rankings for TV shows?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885533 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:47:14 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885529 DSL12steps : How much bandwith does HDTV really need at this time? I remember when we started installing 1.5 circuits and at that time it was considered fast enough. Listen to us complaining now! I can't believe 20-25 mbps isn't enough for all that we need in 90 percent of the homes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885529 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:46:38 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885495 en102 : Seeing that this is a IP TV, will there be tracking 'cookies' for Microsoft/Marketers/SBC to determine what I'm watching? Lets see if I get pop-ups on my TV now :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885495 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:41:45 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885492 garcia4 : So if project lightspeed is anything that project slowpoke was maybe in 10 years we might see something.... I wonder when SBC finally gets their way what excuse will they use when their new project comes crashing down around their ears? I know it is the cable peoples fault yea thats the ticket...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885492 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:41:17 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885470 DaSneaky1D : What's more, what will be the point of having a highspeed connection if it will be completely used just for TV?

"Yeah, I have a 25mbps connection, but I can only use 384k of it because my kids are watching Spongebob."

"Honey, turn off Oxygen, I'm lagging in CS!"
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From there, Microsoft's TV Internet Protocol Television (IPTV) Edition software platform will manage user video content via a set-top box. SBC and Microsoft will have to fend off critics who suggest the 20-25Mbps provided won't be enough to offer full HDTV service, voice service, and broadband as effectively as FTTH or cable carriers - something the companies say they've solved via compression techniques.

I think it's hard to disagree with the fact that SBC is doing this job the half-asked way. Verizon has got it right. In the big picture, eventually, FTTH will be standard practice. SBC's method, allowing only 25mbps TOPS, will just not cut it for more than one HDTV stream + decent internet speeds. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11885418 Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:29:58 EDT