Does it really matter? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r10616101 en Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:49:10 EDT Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:49:10 EDT Re: Does it really matter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10672061 Nerdtalker :
said by AmeritecTech See Profile:
Your post title was "Does it really matter?"

My answer is yes.
said by ME:
This will only help people who are already security-conscious to become even more secure...


Read the first post... :D

I agree.
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My answer is yes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10667221 Thu, 01 Jul 2004 23:54:23 EDT Re: Does it really matter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10664925 Nerdtalker :
said by AmeritecTech See Profile:
said by Nerdtalker See Profile:
Does it really matter? I mean, people still are going to leave their access points open simply because they are configured like that by default. I doubt it'll help secure the majority of unsecured APs.

This will only help people who are already security-conscious to become even more secure...
While improved security measures won't help the uneducated masses who don't care about security, it does help those of us who are running secure AP's.
My point exactly...
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Touch a thistle timidly, and it pricks you; grasp it boldly, and its spines crumble. -William S. Halsey]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10664925 Thu, 01 Jul 2004 19:54:50 EDT Re: Does it really matter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10664063 AmeritecTech :
said by hottboiinnc See Profile:
The only way to know the key is to actually look at the portal's bottom and get it.

Or to crack it, which is rather easy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10664063 Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:20:53 EDT Re: Does it really matter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10664056 AmeritecTech :
said by Nerdtalker See Profile:
Does it really matter? I mean, people still are going to leave their access points open simply because they are configured like that by default. I doubt it'll help secure the majority of unsecured APs.

This will only help people who are already security-conscious to become even more secure...

A man walked along the beach picking up starfish and throwing them back in the ocean. An onlooker asked him, "Why do you throw these starfish back in the water? There must be thousands of starfish along the beach that will dry out and die on the beach. Does your small contribution really make a difference?"

As the man threw another starfish in the water, he said, "It made a difference to that starfish."

While improved security measures won't help the uneducated masses who don't care about security, it does help those of us who are running secure AP's.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10664056 Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:20:09 EDT Re: Does it really matter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10618588 Nerdtalker :
said by AquaBlaze See Profile:
Yea, but if you're specifically looking to bust into a specific network (ie. sabotage on a competing business) WEP isn't going to cut it. WPA is a whole lot more secure, but I'm sure given enough time...folks can get in through that.
I'm not sure how penetrable WPA is, but I agree with what you said about WEP, I believe you have to capture around 5 million packets (so sit around for a while)...

Even just AirSnort can find the key for you if you are determined...

In all my travels, I've seen only 27 AP's with encryption, WEP at that, I've seen 0 with WPA... Sad...
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Touch a thistle timidly, and it pricks you; grasp it boldly, and its spines crumble. -William S. Halsey]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10618588 Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:23:11 EDT Re: Does it really matter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10618493 AquaBlaze : "I mean, If I really wanted to wardrive a house (and use the connection), I'd just keep driving and find a house that is wide open, rather than try to spend time busting WEP encryption..."

Yea, but if you're specifically looking to bust into a specific network (ie. sabotage on a competing business) WEP isn't going to cut it. WPA is a whole lot more secure, but I'm sure given enough time...folks can get in through that. (thus why you don't see SMART networks w/ confidential information running wireless these days)

I'm all for 801.11i, if they can somehow guarantee a security level equivolent to that of a wired network...that way all businesses can partake of a wireless network without shattin' a brick over security.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10618493 Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:12:24 EDT Re: Does it really matter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10617301 hottboiinnc : True.

the company I used to work for had part of an WISP and you could sit out side our offices or within the range of our equipment and access our company files and our printers. Also after they stopped the service the Wireless Network in the office was available like 2 blocks down the street just using Microsoft Networking Hub. Not one person attempted to access our network or anything. Yes I know that cause i checked the Admin Page all the time. All of the people that came into our office for something knew were were using wireless cause I would roam around the office with my laptop and work. I'd even sit out side at a table and work. So if someone wants to hack bad enough they would.

But its just more sense to look for one wide open than one secured to break.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10617301 Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:09:44 EDT Re: Does it really matter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10616661 Nerdtalker :
said by AquaBlaze See Profile:
This will keep people out of just "stumbling" into your network...but as I've read security reports, it won't keep anyone out who REALLY wants into your network. At least WPA makes it hard on those kinds of folks to break in.
I agree, we all know that true security is more of an oxymoron than a possible practice, but with WIFI, being secure only really necessitates being more secure than your neighbors who are wide open.

I mean, If I really wanted to wardrive a house (and use the connection), I'd just keep driving and find a house that is wide open, rather than try to spend time busting WEP encryption...
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This will keep people out of just "stumbling" into your network...but as I've read security reports, it won't keep anyone out who REALLY wants into your network. At least WPA makes it hard on those kinds of folks to break in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10616304 Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:32:55 EDT Re: Does it really matter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10616249 hottboiinnc : I use 2Wire HomePortal/Office Portal products and they come by default secured. Each Portal has a different KeyCode that has be to used to access the Wireless Network. The only way to know the key is to actually look at the portal's bottom and get it. After you can login to it you can change it but htats it.

Kyle]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10616249 Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:26:31 EDT Does it really matter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10616101 Nerdtalker : Does it really matter? I mean, people still are going to leave their access points open simply because they are configured like that by default. I doubt it'll help secure the majority of unsecured APs.

This will only help people who are already security-conscious to become even more secure...
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Touch a thistle timidly, and it pricks you; grasp it boldly, and its spines crumble. -William S. Halsey]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,10616101 Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:06:13 EDT