tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| head to head
customers in NYC know the deal where FIOS and TWC high speed compete in the same footprint. cablemodems do NOT compare to FTTP throughput 24/7/365. Fiber is dedicated provisioning, Docsis 1-3 is NOT dedicated provisioning in the last mile. You will pay MORE though, that's the reality of the matter... so if the dedicated speed means more to you or you get crap service from the cable provider, AND you have the cash to spare.. your choice is clear. When docsis 3 rolls around, they can make it a more enticing deal, but not likely-- they'll just be a good enough alternative to what Verizon does, not beat them on overall throughput & price. |
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BetaTron
Sinz
Premium
join:2002-08-18
Brooklyn, NY
| A few years ago I was satisfied with Time Warner.
I moved and was able to get Cable Vision service I was extremely pleased.
Now I'm back in an area that's TW and they freakin' suck (IMO)nowadays. In the early mornings my speeds are some what ok. Anytime after 12am forget it... traffic city. My speeds are often less than 3Mbits.
I miss CV. |
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personin626
join:2008-11-23
| FiOS just started getting layed about 3-4 miles south of here. They are sweeping the area from there to the north, and im in the way. In about 7mos. I say, they will be down here, once its all done and ready, im calling TWC and saying bye bye. Last night, the latency was horrific. I went to my friends house and had no problems connecting from his DSL line. I envy my friend and his sweet DSL line. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | it's the american (business) way
in non-competitive markets, businesses like to use lawyers, misleading advertising and confusing tiers and bundling against what little competition exists.
apparently, competing on price and services is too hard or too expensive. |
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dannydee
join:2008-12-26
Flushing, NY | dialup is lower latency and faster than cable here at times. |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
 ·Optimum Online
| FiOS Here
FiOS lines were installed in my neighborhood this summer but I have yet to see any advertising for it. I still get ads from Verizon to sign up for their DSL service and nothing about video. My guess is it is still not lit up around here and CV has not taken any pains to "warn" us about FiOS.
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tubbynet
reminds me of the danse russe
Premium
join:2008-01-16
Chandler, AZ
·Cox HSI
 ·Callcentric
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·FrontierNet Intern..
| reply to nasadude
Re: it's the american (business) way
said by nasadude  :apparently, competing on price and services doesn't line the pockets of management and stockholders enough fixed it for you. corporate greed at its best.
q. |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Liars, plain and simple
I see those BS claims from Cox and TWC all the time. The best is when they start talking about FiOS "lawn trama". LOL. |
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Pictor Guy
join:2004-06-21
Sammamish, WA
| +20% increase?
My kids love Noggin too but lets Viacom eat it. This is nothing more than a negotiation tactic. Viacom must not be reading the headlines. Lets them ask for a huge increase and I hope the TWC drops Viacom. If TWC increases rates for this then watch more people dump cable in favor of other forms of entertainment. I can get most Viacom shows on Netflix anyway. |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs: 
| I can't help but to see it differently
11 years ago...count em..11...I had RR service.
And that was made possible because Time Warner built out their network with fiber. In the years that followed TW...and the whole cable industry as a whole...spent a reported 100 Billion dollars on these networks.
But yet..now the presumption is..they shouldn't be able to talk about it?
Verizon comes along..makes it a buzz word..but yet TW is supposed to sit silent about what they did..years earlier?
Coaxial cable when combined with fiber to the node in what is referred to as a HFC network is a VERY effective medium in which to deliver HSI over. It is not fiber to some old twisted pair..aka Uverse..that we're talking about.
TW has continually stayed at the forefront in terms of speeds over the years..and today offers very competitive speeds and services..even compared to fios which should be noted..is STILL a very minor portion of Verizons total network. If anyones been pumping up the propaganda..I think it's Verizon given how SMALL a service area they actually serve with Fios as of right now. And..how many years it will be to completion.
One also has to consider the real world usage of an internet connection. Just because someone has a 20Mb fios connection doesn't mean that it's always going to be faster than someone on a TW connection. There are many factors to consider. And the plans that not only TW offers..but most cable operators as well..are extremely competitive with the best that fios offers today. In the limited markets it does offer it.
This doesn't mean that I don't think that TW should move swiftly ahead with docsis 3.0. Because I do. But all things considered..they're not behind the curve when compared to the totality of the telco's networks.
And I think they have every right to talk about their fiber as well.
After all..they were a decade ahead of the telcos installing it.
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The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! |
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Austinloop
join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX | Here in Austin, the first fiber went into the telco plant in the mid to late '80's. So the CATV company was using fiber in the '70's? |
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Boogeyman
Drive it like you stole it
Premium
join:2002-12-17
Huntsville, AL
| reply to Rick
No one is upset that they are saying they use fiber in thier network. People are upset that they are implying that the fiber to the node in TWC's network is the same as fiber to the home in VZ's.
It would be kind of like a car company saying thier hybrid vehicle was the same as an all electric vehicle just because both of them use batteries as an energy source at some point in the powertrain.
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to Rick
'After all..they were a decade ahead of the telcos installing it.'
How were the cable companies installing fiber in the 1970s? |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs:
| reply to Boogeyman
said by Boogeyman :People are upset that they are implying that the fiber to the node in TWC's network is the same as fiber to the home in VZ's. Sorry but I missed the part where they ever said that.
What i've seen them say in their ad's is that they use fiber in their networks too.
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The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs:
| reply to Dogfather
Re: Liars, plain and simple
While I won't say that Verizon is lying..isn't it a stretch to promote something in the manner that they are that so few of their customers can get today and that many won't see for years and years?
I'd call that Vapo~Fiber at best.
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The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! |
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Dilligas
join:2007-10-30
Windsor, ON
| reply to bogey780
Re: I can't help but to see it differently
One simple soulution. ITS ALL COPPER AT SOME POINT in the network, whether it be at the node or at the side of your house. Docsis 3 is needed by the cable companies, also the general population is not too technical, people just want the service to work at a decent price....most of the people that point the finger and say FTTH is better than FTTN might be technically minded but blind when it comes to knowing how all topologies work. Docsis 3 is needed, less homes per node passed also is needed but to have full blown fiber to the home, only time will tell whether that is the true way to go or save some cash and launch similar services on existing infustructure. Also too, Cable companies built their fiber networks when it was expensive and more cost effective to build a HFC network. 5 yrs from now if the cable companies decide to upgrade to fiber to the home or even fiber to the tap things will be that much more cheaper. Verizon is taking a risk at all or nothing when it comes to this. I defend both FTTH and FTTN but there is alot more coax has to offer than one may think!
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Boogeyman
Drive it like you stole it
Premium
join:2002-12-17
Huntsville, AL
| reply to Rick
They arent saying it, they are implying it. Kind of like how hand soap says its antibacterial, but doesnt tell you that it has a fraction of the amount of antibacterial ingredients that the stuff the hospitals use does.
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs:
| lol. but why shouldn't they be able to IMPLY and SAY what they've had since 1998?
I was getting 1500k ~ 2000k speeds coming off RR's network...RR's FIBER TO COAXIAL network...when the rest of the world was heavily engaged in paying AOL for less than 56k dial up service.
RR's ENTIRE network is comprised of HFC..whereas Verizons fios is in but a minor portion of their's...with YEARS more needed to fully develop it.
But yet..Verizon runs around talking about Fiber like it's the holy grail..
and TW can't talk about theirs without being accused of "implying" that it's like Verizon's?
The MAJORITY of verizons network is much slower DSL than
TW's HFC network is.
Again..if anyones pumping up the propaganda based on REAL World..company to company comparisons..
It's certainly not TW who is doing it!
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The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! |
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| The campaigns discussed in the article are being implemented in areas where FiOS is in direct competition with Time Warner Cable's products.
And I think the FiOS customers promote fiber like it's the holy grail, not Verizon.  |
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Professor666
@mit.edu
| reply to Rick
I live in Lexington, Mass and have Verizion FIOS and it is hands down the most reliable and fastest connection I've ever had. The internet connection totally blows away the cable modem I had with Comcast and the HD television is superior even to what I've watched with DIRECTV. I don't care who had what first, the only argument I accept is performance and FIOS has it. |
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