mrchris
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join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Haha
Good luck filtering out legitimite content from pirated, you bunch of uninformed politicians!
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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|  Question is what % of users will it stop or slow down
Conroy and company are spending millions on a game of whack-a-mole that, if history is any indication, simply won't work.
Stephen Conroy indicates they'll take aim at P2P traffic as well:
The Government understands that ISP-level filtering is not a 'silver bullet'. We have always viewed ISP-level filtering as one part of a broader government initiative It seems many here think in terms of black & white, all or nothing. But that isn't the real world as Australia's Conroy admits. If the filtering stops 50%, 60%, 75% of illegal traffic, is it then a failure? I would say no and so would many others. But some subscribe to the theory that if even 1 person beats the system, then the system is a TOTAL failure.
If a law enforcement system for crimes like burglary, theft, rape, or murder was abolished just because it can't achieve perfection then we wouldn't have any crime prevention and punishment at all.
The same applies to the internet. You don't give up trying to stop online crime just because it is hard to do and can't achieve complete success.
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA
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| Thieves don't ruin for all?
Theres only 20 million or so of them Austrians. Not all of them access the interweb. Just boot thieves off if they get caught. Where else are they going to get their internet access from?
They could always go one step up and have biometric tracking to access the internet within the country. Easier to track. |
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
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|  Things are the same all over.
 The situation down under clearly demonstrates that when you have ignorant politicians making decisions based on the ignorant desires and belief of the electorate, the regulations and laws they pass or attempt to pass show their ignorance. Many years ago a US Congressman or Senator wanted to pass a law rounding the value of pi off to 3 because his grandson or grandnephew had a problem memorizing the value of pi out to six decimal places. One of his more scientifically astute colleagues advised him to cease and desist, with is efforts to change the value of pi, lest he look stupid. With nit whits like that running the country there is no hope. |
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beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | reply to mrchris
Re: Haha
What is the better solution to the problem?
We don't like throttling. We hate the crappy RIAA lawsuits. We detest the possible ISP "piracy tax". Caps are evil.
So what IS the better solution? |
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beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | reply to ninjatutle
Re: Thieves don't ruin for all?
Last I checked Australia and Austria were two very different places....goodness. |
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Sabre
Di relung hatiku bernyanyi bidadari
join:2005-05-17
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Re: Question is what % of users will it stop or slow down
said by TKJunkMail  :If the filtering stops 50%, 60%, 75% of illegal traffic, is it then a failure? I would say no and so would many others. But some subscribe to the theory that if even 1 person beats the system, then the system is a TOTAL failure. This is a valid argument, but there's more to it than that. Not being Australian and thus having limited exposure to this story, I would nonetheless raise two counterpoints:
• Many, including lawmakers, tend to push this sort of filtering system as exactly that, a perfect solution that will stop everything. While that's effectively impossible, as you've noticed, filtering "solutions" frequently aren't sold that way. This leads to the uninformed (often those same politicians) believing they have a foolproof solution, becoming flustered when it's not, and then continuing to try to make it foolproof, with predictable results.
• It'd be impossible to judge the success rate without also having a comparable false-positive rate to go after. The more successful an illegal-filtration system is, the more likely it'll have a higher false-positive rate. Rarely discussed in questions like this is what an acceptable level of false-positives versus true-positives would be. In addition, in cases of false-positives, what recourse exists? Suppose a content owner doesn't want his/her/its data filtered out - how will this be handled, who is responsible, and what, if any, compensation would apply?
A truly successful filtering system isn't one that stops 100% of illegal content. It has to also stop 0% of legal content. This makes the question much murkier and much harder to find a middle-ground solution that is appropriate.
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Angrychair
join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL | reply to beaups
Re: Haha
Freedom is always the answer. |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | Ya nice and simple
to the Riaa No Lawsuits for you
to the ISP data caps no caps for you
to the congress pay back that 2 trillion+ you took |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
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well you cant expect government officals to know a WoW patch from someone pirating a Pixar film, gray hairs in the governments of the world probally have to call tech support to stop that blinking 12:00
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Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | reply to Angrychair
Ya, Free Market P2P is the only answer, LOL
I love repeating lobbyist talking points and skewing them a bit, It's like shoving their own words down their throat. |
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ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
| reply to Sabre
Re: Question is what % of users will it stop or slow down
Actually, this is a system that will become less effective if it attempts to filter P2P. Even if we can assume that a filtering system can successfully sniff and filter pirated files and/or other material the government wishes to block, that ability goes away when encryption is applied. And everyone knows that encryption is coming, and with many programs notifying users of new versions and some making upgrading just a one or two-click process, the number of people utilizing encryption is going to rapidly increase once it's incorporated into the major P2P clients. |
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Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | reply to ninjatutle
Re: Thieves don't ruin for all?
There you go Ninjatutle, suggest biometric security to access the internet.
Seriously? You scare me a bit
By the way ninja, what is your profession? Just curious |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Things are the same all over.
said by Mr Matt : Many years ago a US Congressman or Senator wanted to pass a law rounding the value of pi off to 3 because his grandson or grandnephew had a problem memorizing the value of pi out to six decimal places. Not true. As can best be determined a STATE legislator in Indiana in 1897 tried to get a law enacted that set a value for Pi based on some phony math theory about "squaring the circle". »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill
Another more recent claim about Pi and religious claims in Alabama was false:
»www.snopes.com/religion/pi.asp
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maartena
Stacked.
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA | The future of Australia....
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ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | reply to Pv8man
Re: Thieves don't ruin for all?
Advertising. Before this I was in marketing, 2by2.net and Quixtar respectively. Were you a past client? |
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Xure
join:2003-11-14
Beverly Hills, CA
| At least...
At least somebody is getting paid. Nice racket there. One just wishes they were in the loop with some crappy software that the gov can buy for all these millions.
You can just see some software executive buying a new Porche after hearing these news. |
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Xizer
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
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Re: The future of Australia....
said by maartena : lol, get out |
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Xizer
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY | Australia is a fine competitor
They've somehow found a way to suck more ass than the U.S. |
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mrreaper0
join:2004-05-19
Costa Mesa, CA | ...
so many freedoms lost and so much money wasted all under the guise of 'protecting the children'... |
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