JohnQPublic
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| Yeah, that's the ticket!
That's exactly what's needed to fix the current economic meltdown. We just need to beef up our broadband offerings in the cornfields of Nebraska. Yeah, that's the ticket. 
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hayabusa3303
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clubs: | Please 44 billion
They will only use 2 bilion to do real work and 42 billion to lobby. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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Re: Yeah, that's the ticket!
said by JohnQPublic  :That's exactly what's needed to fix the current economic meltdown. We just need to beef up our broadband offerings in the cornfields of Nebraska. Yeah, that's the ticket. If you want to have an intelligent discussion please respond with some intelligence. There's close to 50 million people or more that can't get access to broadband. That's a lot of fucking people. |
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funchords
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said by JohnQPublic :That's exactly what's needed to fix the current economic meltdown. We just need to beef up our broadband offerings in the cornfields of Nebraska. Talk about missing the point!!! With decent affordable broadband, any cornfield will do just fine.
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Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | reply to hayabusa3303
Re: Please 44 billion
lol, ya consumer groups need to start paying lobbyists to get a voice.
Come on, get with the modern bribery system, that is, the over abused free market. |
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funchords
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2 edits | Incumbent telecom lobbyists -- fight fire with fire
... incumbent telecom lobbying firms have direct control over Washington, resulting in any truly consumer friendly proposals being killed in the legislative womb ...
Corporate lobbyists buy influence with contributions, and get policy-makers attention by sheer persistence. They represent zero voters.
Two can play at that game, AND represent actual votes as well. WRITE your Congresscritters. Make it so that when your Rep. or Senator wants to know something about this "Megabits" thing, that they already know what the voters want and they don't have to answer the call from a telecom. Support your candidates who get it.
We can't invent the next generation of cool things if we're stuck on a last generation network.
We're not leading the race if all we can see are somebody else's tail lights.
It's critically important that we get these back-assward telecoms out of the business of perfecting meters and throttles and into the business of blowing the doors off of speed and consumption limits!
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| reply to BF69
Re: Yeah, that's the ticket!
now where to these '50 million people' (i won't bother asking where that number came from cause its pretty apparent) live? out in the middle of frellin' nowhere? it make absolutely no sense to spend an absurd amount of money on a few people when that same money can make ftth happen for perhaps hundreds. |
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fiber_man
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join:2001-01-27
Port Saint Lucie, FL
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| Clec's
AT&T and Verizon have been deploying fiber to stop the clec's from sharing their networks. That was a problem of the telecom act of 1996. They had to share their copper network but not their fiber network. I have no problem with another company building their own network to serve customers. Good luck placing all of the cables under the roads,railroads,bridges,etc...,dealing with all of the governments for ROWs,easements,permits,etc..
Attaching to the poles?? Not enough space on many of them. How many pole lines do you think the public wants to see. Hell they are bitching about the Vrads,yards being dug up,etc.. all over the country.
44 billion will not go to far after everything else is taken into consideration.
Good Idea just needs more consideration for the networks that are already in place.
Government control is the reason that overseas countries have passed by us.
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| so this is a good idea?
i'm all for upgrading broadband in logic manners that are fair to the majority (if you think you can be fair to all, you smoking crack). it almost sound like they want to ensure every cow has access to broadband. after reading those bullets, a part of me opposes this.
why concentrate on sparsely populated areas?
since when is broadband a necessity?
should a luxury item be subsidized for the lower classes?
why should a company really want to deploy fiber ($$$$) and allow other companies to lease for cheap(-ish)?
does it even matter is the fiber is open to multiple competitors? why should i even care? it's not like i'll save a lots of money.
aren't there already training services in place? what about computer literate relatives or even neighbors? |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by cornelius785 :i'm all for upgrading broadband in logic manners that are fair to the majority (if you think you can be fair to all, you smoking crack). it almost sound like they want to ensure every cow has access to broadband. after reading those bullets, a part of me opposes this. why concentrate on sparsely populated areas? since when is broadband a necessity? should a luxury item be subsidized for the lower classes? why should a company really want to deploy fiber ($$$$) and allow other companies to lease for cheap(-ish)? does it even matter is the fiber is open to multiple competitors? why should i even care? it's not like i'll save a lots of money. aren't there already training services in place? what about computer literate relatives or even neighbors? You do realize that 75-100 years ago your same arguments were use for electricity and phone service EXACTLY. Where those people right? No. I see many people here don't get the BIG picture. Which is surprising because one would think those that frequent a site like this would be of at least above average intelligence. guess not. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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Re: Yeah, that's the ticket!
said by cornelius785 :now where to these '50 million people' (i won't bother asking where that number came from cause its pretty apparent) live? out in the middle of frellin' nowhere? it make absolutely no sense to spend an absurd amount of money on a few people when that same money can make ftth happen for perhaps hundreds. Let's see 300 million people in the US 1/6 at least do not have access to broadband. 1/6 of 300 million is 50 million. Basic math too hard for you? |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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Re: Please 44 billion
You are crazy! 2 Billion for real work? 42 billion will be pocketed and go to lobbyists, the other 2 billion will be misplaced. This committee will then say they ran out of money during the research stage, and nothing else will get done. Isn't tax payer money the ultimate slush fund, or what? Why get a real job when you can write a government grant and steal from those who earn their money. |
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RayW
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Layton, UT
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Re: Clec's
said by fiber_man :Government control is the reason that overseas countries have passed by us. Rephrase that to be "laws bought by the commercial enterprises prohibiting the people and their local public entities from building decent infrastructure and service is the reason that some overseas countries have passed by us."
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
| Ridiculous...
What do we get for that $44 billion? How many people get service? Whenever I hear spending billions on rural, I think $100,000 spent to wire and maintain a few customers. My parents live in rural Missouri and they went with high-speed wireless. They are in the middle of nowhere and they have two service providers. It isn't great, it isn't cheap ($50/month) but it's always-on, it's 10 times faster than dialup and it's good enough. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| $44 BEEEEELLLLLION dollars
That's a lot of money.
No seriously, if we're looking at 50 million non-broadband US peeps, that's $880 per person, enough to give each of them a year of cellular broadband service on the likes of Millenicom. Assuming they're all in different households. If not, the pircutre gets even rosier...like running fiber to lots of those people and paying for WiMAX equipment for the rest.
Or $146.67 for every US citizen, likely enough to make ADSL2+ available to everyone, I'd think. Everyone. At a decent price.
Waitaminute...$146.67 per CITIZEN? Sounds like that's gonna come out of everyone's taxes. Howzat gonna work? You can buy a few years of dialup for that much...or do other stuff. Or you can *not* pass the cost on, leaving gov't even more in debt.
Then again, we just spent $700+B on bailouts, so...yeah...
How about offering tax rebates to broadband providers if they either
a) Use those rebates to roll out more service
b) Pass that rebate directly to customers' bills?
So Comcast could get a tax rebate of, say, $176.4M, for taking $1 per month off of all their customers' bills for a year. No rate hikes would be allowed in order to collect on this break, so the fat cats can't walk away with anything. Or they spend that money upgrading Colorado to DOCSIS 3. Of course, there'd be a limit to the amount of taxes taken off: the amount of taxes owed in the first place.
Just a random outta-my-butt thought.
Seriously tho9ugh, where would that munny come from anyway? Don't get me wrong, I'd love 100/100 FTTH both to my in-town apartment and to my parents' house a few miles out of town, but what's the overhead here? Mind if loyal BBR users were on the board to make sure the companies didn't take money and run? We'll work cheap, just give us 100 Mbit symmetric fiber to do our oversight over :-D |
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decifal
join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
| keep in mind
keep in mind.. Rural doesn't always mean one house per 50 miles.... Theres more to rural broadband needs than a cornfield with an outhouse... Seriously, this country is way underserved with broadband... Its laughable and pathetic.. If we are going to keep giving company's like AIG money just to go on vacation.. We can at least do this. |
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fatmanskinny
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Re: Yeah, that's the ticket!
said by BF69 :said by cornelius785 :now where to these '50 million people' (i won't bother asking where that number came from cause its pretty apparent) live? out in the middle of frellin' nowhere? it make absolutely no sense to spend an absurd amount of money on a few people when that same money can make ftth happen for perhaps hundreds. Let's see 300 million people in the US 1/6 at least do not have access to broadband. 1/6 of 300 million is 50 million. Basic math too hard for you? Ouch! 
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26
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said by cornelius785 :now where to these '50 million people' (i won't bother asking where that number came from cause its pretty apparent) live? out in the middle of frellin' nowhere? it make absolutely no sense to spend an absurd amount of money on a few people when that same money can make ftth happen for perhaps hundreds. Yes it makes no sense to get someone out of the stone age where they can actually use the internet at all rather than give these poor mistreated people with only 10mb connection that FTTH connection. Somebody is wasting a precious extra 3 seconds to download their porn when they could have it 3 seconds sooner! The nerve of some people!
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funchords
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Re: Clec's
(agree with everything in your first paragraph)
I personally hate the idea of government control -- but how do we make internet / cable / phone a competition? |
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funchords
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Re: so this is a good idea?
said by cornelius785 :why concentrate on sparsely populated areas? Because aside from metro-area greenfield developments, we're really not expanding broadband's footprint anymore. That's why we went from #1 to #__ (not even in the top 10) in deploying broadband.
said by cornelius785 :since when is broadband a necessity? Part of this -is- a make-work project to fund jobs and stimulate the economy back into life. But part of this is acting on data that shows that for three percent or so of broadband adoption, we tend to employ about a million more people in various ways.
said by cornelius785 :should a luxury item be subsidized for the lower classes? It's a loaded question. But with copper theft a big problem, not to mention it's limited future of usefulness, we should all be moving toward fiber anyway.
said by cornelius785 :why should a company really want to deploy fiber ($$$$) and allow other companies to lease for cheap(-ish)? I'd rather property owners pay for this myself. My next house will have fiber, or I'm not buying it. I wouldn't buy a house without an electrical or water or sewer connection -- with the high value I place on broadband, I'd be crazy to buy a house that wasn't served by fiber.
said by cornelius785 :does it even matter is the fiber is open to multiple competitors? why should i even care? it's not like i'll save a lots of money. Have you ever tried to buy food in a movie theater? It's expensive! There is no competition, so they charge you $4 for some corn and some "Golden Flavor" that passes itself off as butter.
Yeah, it matters.
said by cornelius785 :aren't there already training services in place? what about computer literate relatives or even neighbors? Sure. And if they're looking for a job, there will be jobs for them -- perhaps.
We shouldn't do stuff just to spend the money, and if that's your point, I do not disagree. But if we're going to make increasing the reach of broadband a national priority, then its more than just laying fiber.
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