MemphisPCGuy
Senior Systems Engineer
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join:2004-05-09
Memphis, TN | More...
must download more ... brains!!!!!
With caps in place by the largest ISP and the others following suit, does it really matter any more? |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Network Neutrality is the devil.....
We need more caps and higher prices and less use of the internet for ISPs to survive.
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ztmike
Mark for moderation
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join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
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| said by moonpuppy  :We need more caps and higher prices and less use of the internet for ISPs to survive. Sadly that's how MOST of the major U.S broadband ISPS think, I'm still sorta shocked Verizon hasn't capped their FiOS users. But then again..they are not pushing the limits of fiber internet either.
As far as the new build of utorrent..doesn't sound like it will do much good, as I'm still using a older version and have Comcast and I have noticed full upload speeds when uploading on utorrent. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| uTP is GOOD!
Seriously,
Small Scale: uTP's yielding characteristics mean that I can have BitTorrent on in the background and it not disrupt whatever I'm doing in the foreground
Large Scale: uTP's yielding characteristics mean that, if uTP is causing congestion on an ISP link, it throttles itself back gracefully, providing maximum speed while steering clear of collisions with other traffic
Opposition is acting just plain childish now.
Look at it this way:
You're standing in line. A person is in front of you. He notices you look like you're in a hurry and offers to switch places with you. Instead of accepting, you yell at him and tell him he's a burden to society and to get out of the line altogether or you'll call the cops.
Tell me how I'm erring here. UDP traffic is still counted in ISP data caps anyway, so why does it really matter?
Bottom line: uTP skirts around non-legit ISP throttling practices, yes, but it alleviates the concern that supposedly caused these tactics in the first place: flow control.
Really, if BitTorrent is proposing to self-inflict lower priority to its own traffic, with the result being better QoS on any connection in which BT is used...what's the fracking problem?!? |
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BubbaDude
join:2008-06-06
Livermore, CA
1 edit | You called it yourself, Karl
Remember the headline on your piece on UTP, Karl? "New UDP uTorrent Takes Aim At Throttling."
The folks at BitTorrent, Inc., may very well have nothing but good intentions, but as soon as you make Internet congestion control a user-tunable option, all hell is going to break loose. The infrastructure is not prepared for this.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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Avalon, NJ
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|  UDP for uTorrent has one REAL purpose - avoid ISP throttling
All this talk about the motives of those who have designed in UDP file transfers for P2P apps being altruistic is pure BS. UDP is being made the default protocol for 1 reason - to bypass those ISPs that are still throttling P2P traffic. Any other reason being given is PR activity to put a friendly face on the continued attempts to facilitate copyright infringement.
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Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA | reply to MemphisPCGuy
Re: More...
This is going to KILL gamers when the ISPs react - all of a sudden your UDP game traffic will be shaped/throttled and completely kill your ping.
Way to go uTP! (not) |
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Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON | reply to MemphisPCGuy
Only until the bulk of content moves away from traditional media and towards the net. So it simply boils down to time. |
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jmn1207
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join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: UDP for uTorrent has one REAL purpose - avoid ISP throttling
In the end, everything will be throttled unless it is coming directly from the ISP, chock-full of advertising and user information gathering irritants. I really don't think this will happen, but it is with a bit of a nervous laugh when I joke. |
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Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
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Re: More...
said by Jerm :This is going to KILL gamers when the ISPs react - all of a sudden your UDP game traffic will be shaped/throttled and completely kill your ping. Way to go uTP! (not) Might actually be the issue that gets Joe Six Pack to actually realize something is wrong then, rather then those of us who are in the small minority and know what this is about. |
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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck
join:2001-10-21
London, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: UDP for uTorrent has one REAL purpose - avoid ISP throttling
said by TKJunkMail :Any other reason being given is PR activity to put a friendly face on the continued attempts to facilitate copyright infringement. And don't forget get kiddie porn, that's all the internet is used for. 
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Tails
join:2007-09-25
Sanford, NC | reply to TKJunkMail
That's right Tk, assume that ALL P2P is copyright infringement. First of all, instead of making these BS assumptions, why not provide some evidence to support your claim? |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to Mashiki
Re: More...
As bad as it sounds, that'll be a good thing. Network neutrality will come home even more, to anyone who plays games, and people will start complaining. Loudly. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| reply to jmn1207
Re: UDP for uTorrent has one REAL purpose - avoid ISP throttling
Just as ISP's have a couple of reasons for capping.
1. Easy profit (easy to push the 'average' user off a very usable 3-6Mbps connection to a more expensive +10Mbps connection)
2. Cheap way to manage usage... and make profit at the same time.
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maartena
Stacked.
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Orange, CA
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| Pirates will find a way....
...and so it goes to show that pirates will always find a way to circumvent technology. Since UDP is apperantly a lot more difficult to throttle, one can circumvent the current (and very expensive) throttling mechanisms in place.
The downside is that it will make ISP's more likely to implement caps. If they can't keep torrent traffic down ONLY, they will simply start capping ALL the traffic.
Quite frankly, for the few times I DO use a torrent app, i'd much rather be throttled then having my entire connection capped at a certain amount of data, because I use my connection for a LOT more.
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TheSHAD0W
@dellcity.com
| uncorrect terminology
Your statement that "UDP BitTorrent Will Destroy The Interwebs!" is uncorrect. BT doesn't directly threaten the interwebs; it is instead likely to melt the INTERTUBES. Please be more careful with your titling in the future.
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Thunderlips
Get It Up Fly A Hull
join:2001-12-07
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: UDP for uTorrent has one REAL purpose - avoid ISP throttling
said by TKJunkMail :All this talk about the motives of those who have designed in UDP file transfers for P2P apps being altruistic is pure BS. UDP is being made the default protocol for 1 reason - to bypass those ISPs that are still throttling P2P traffic. Any other reason being given is PR activity to put a friendly face on the continued attempts to facilitate copyright infringement. Good grief. Not everyone is on dope, Mr. Hand! |
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anon1
@charter.com | The Register
Haha, yeah, totally reliable source.. |
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Markus
join:2005-05-27
Middlesboro, KY
| reply to maartena
Re: Pirates will find a way....
That's what my old cable company, Cebridge, did. If you downloaded more than 30MB in something like 10 minutes, your whole connection would be throttled back to 1/4 speed for an hour. This occurred no matter the source of those 30MB; it wasn't just torrents. Sucky ass company. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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Avalon, NJ
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Re: UDP for uTorrent has one REAL purpose - avoid ISP throttling
said by Tails :That's right Tk, assume that ALL P2P is copyright infringement. First of all, instead of making these BS assumptions, why not provide some evidence to support your claim? I never made any such assumption. There are legal uses of the P2P applications. But for you to deny that they are in the minority is self-serving. The majority of uses for the P2P applications are to steal music and movies.
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