mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
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join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Pull them off
This is what you get for NOT educating people (enough) about the threats of the internet. Knock off those botted and spam relaying users until they clean their mess and secure their systems. |
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pspcrazy
Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA
 ·DSL EXTREME
| My site is fairly large and when we were ddos'd we simply couldn't do anything but pay 2-3k more for something we shouldn't need. They need to figure out a MANDATORY method to prevent computers from being bots, and quick. This is a serious issue which shouldn't be going on anymore. It's 2008 and we're still dealing with issues from 2000.
Many sites will simply go out of business when they ddos them for longer then 2-3 days. Luckily for me it lasted only 1 day. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
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said by mrchris  :This is what you get for NOT educating people (enough) about the threats of the internet. Knock off those botted and spam relaying users until they clean their mess and secure their systems. I agree. I think the ISPs are worried they'll be responsible for cleaning the infected PCs, which would be an astronomical resource drain and open them up for all kinds of liability though. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
 ·Comcast
| said by Matt :said by mrchris :This is what you get for NOT educating people (enough) about the threats of the internet. Knock off those botted and spam relaying users until they clean their mess and secure their systems. I agree. I think the ISPs are worried they'll be responsible for cleaning the infected PCs, which would be an astronomical resource drain and open them up for all kinds of liability though. But think of the bandwidth they'd save  |
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wxboss
This is like Deja vu all over again.
Premium
join:2005-01-30
Jacksonville, FL
clubs:
·Comcast
| said by S_engineer :said by Matt :said by mrchris :This is what you get for NOT educating people (enough) about the threats of the internet. Knock off those botted and spam relaying users until they clean their mess and secure their systems. I agree. I think the ISPs are worried they'll be responsible for cleaning the infected PCs, which would be an astronomical resource drain and open them up for all kinds of liability though. But think of the bandwidth they'd save Just kick Asia off the Internet  . They're big enough to create their own little intranet and then their bots can duke it out with each other.
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"A study in the Washington Post says that women have better verbal skills
than men. I just want to say to the authors of that study: Duh."
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to pspcrazy
Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to wxboss
95% of japan uses IE. Nobody knows what Firefox is. |
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DMNTD
join:2002-10-19
usa | wait...
how does this matter? They are to content police FIRST the MAFIAA demands it..screw security. |
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kherr
Premium
join:2000-09-04
Collinsville, IL
clubs: | reply to patcat88
Re: Pull them off
Firefox ...... that's an airplane, right ??? |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to patcat88
said by patcat88 :Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. id say allow them up to an iMac, that way they get a real computer do use things like word or open office on but still present a much lower danger to the internet then the typical customer using windows.
*im not promoting Mac, but lets just say ive encountered people already while working in ISP support who dont even have XP servicepack 1. i wish we had a way to sense that and lock them out of anything but windows update when they are that far behind.
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utahluge
join:2004-10-14
Draper, UT
·Comcast
| reply to patcat88
said by patcat88 :Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. Kind of....
An appliance will only keep your site active while blocking the threat. The main point here is the bandwidth used. Even though you may be blocking them, the traffic coming to your appliance still goes over your pipe (aka, still being charged for it). The only thing an appliance would be good for (NOTE: in THIS situation) would be to just drop the traffic. That way you are only sending data over your pipe once (in, but not out). Hence, only have to pay half the price it would have cost you. |
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utahluge
join:2004-10-14
Draper, UT
·Comcast
| reply to pspcrazy
said by pspcrazy :My site is fairly large and when we were ddos'd we simply couldn't do anything but pay 2-3k more for something we shouldn't need. ...and you all want bill-by-the-byte...
Ok, maybe not all. BUT, I have been saying for quite some time now. People didn't believe me when I said that DDOS would be a problem with bill-by-the-byte. The above quote is only a sample of what I was talking about. I wish the report would have asked about how many times their sites have been DDOS attacked and how much it cost them.
Maybe now some of you will wake up (especially after being attacked). Its the combination of customers that cannot reach your site, the cost of your bandwidth, and then your reputation (word of mouth (or type) is very strong). In all reality, a simple virus could bring down unprepared sites/companies.
Education people. I admit, I did not educate my brother well enough. Just the other day I was helping him with his computer and when I realized his computer IP was an external, I stopped to check the firewall. Guess what? His firewall was turned OFF! I stopped everything I was doing to turn it on and only allow minimal exceptions. I even went as far as to give him a spare router/firewall I had lying around.
ISP's shouldn't be the 'police' of their users. BUT, if they offered their users opt-IN to spam protection, that would be wonderful! Just throttle the user and have an auto-generated email saying what is going on. That way they are not completely cut-off and then the ISP can either open it back up or assist (tell where to go to get help) the customer based on what the customer wants. |
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fireflier
Coffee. . .Need Coffee
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join:2001-05-25
Limbo
 ·Skype
| More money!
ISPs shouldn't be too upset by this. Since the addition of caps and overages seems to be the in thing these days, it just means they'll get more money from customers whose machines have been hijacked and zombified. . .
Add throttling to that and you've got an instant and nice steady additional overage income without saturating the backbone.
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rawwhide
Zer0
Premium
join:2000-09-03
Zero
clubs:
·AT&T DSL Service
| Yep. Eventually ISP's will start to lose customers because they cant afford the overage fees from being zombified..
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rawwhide
Zer0
Premium
join:2000-09-03
Zero
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·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to Kearnstd
Re: Pull them off
Most people just need »www.webtv.com/pc/
No need for any real computing from a PC or a Mac!!
They want online without the hassle to secure themselves then they get Webtv then.
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to utahluge
said by utahluge :said by patcat88 :Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. Kind of.... An appliance will only keep your site active while blocking the threat. The OP's intent, unless I'm mistaken, is to require licensing for running a computer on the internet, otherwise all you can use to browse or access is an internet appliance. |
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wxboss
This is like Deja vu all over again.
Premium
join:2005-01-30
Jacksonville, FL
clubs:
·Comcast
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said by rawwhide :Most people just need » www.webtv.com/pc/No need for any real computing from a PC or a Mac!! They want online without the hassle to secure themselves then they get Webtv then. Then your tv will be flooded with unsolicited, risque lingerie ads - oh, wait a minute...what was that website again.
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"A study in the Washington Post says that women have better verbal skills
than men. I just want to say to the authors of that study: Duh."
--Conan O'Brien |
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jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | reply to mrchris
Yeah, if only US ISPs could tell the rest of the world what to do...  |
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jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | reply to fireflier
Re: More money!
ISPs don't get overage revenue from attacks coming from "out there" (meaning the internet at large). At least try to stay on topic. |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
·voip.ms
·Vitelity VOIP
·Callcentric
·VoiceStick
·ViaTalk
·Comcast
·Embarq
| reply to utahluge
Re: Pull them off
said by utahluge :said by pspcrazy :My site is fairly large and when we were ddos'd we simply couldn't do anything but pay 2-3k more for something we shouldn't need. ...and you all want bill-by-the-byte... Ok, maybe not all. BUT, I have been saying for quite some time now. People didn't believe me when I said that DDOS would be a problem with bill-by-the-byte. The above quote is only a sample of what I was talking about. I wish the report would have asked about how many times their sites have been DDOS attacked and how much it cost them. Hosting providers already have usage-based billing, and most have an exception process for denial of service attacks where the traffic is excluded from your bill.
The expense that pspcrazy is likely talking about is a DDoS filtering service like ProxySheild from Gigeservers. |
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