peeringisdead
@comcast.net
| Peering needs to change
Sprint is a little man with a big ego. They are no longer a real Internet player and only carry a relatively small amount of the Internet traffic.
The reality is "peering" as we know it needs to go away and all Internet traffic should have economic and actual costs/business measures associated with it based on how long the ISP carries the traffic from source to destination.
Just because you are now a Tier1, doesn't mean you should be. The Tier system is completely broken and needs to be flushed. |
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Cogent SUCKS
@sbcglobal.net | BOOO Cogent
This is JUST Cogent BEING them...
They want to strong arm others...
Like many have Said Cogent does this all the time.. |
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BinaryXtreme
join:2004-04-20
Sparks, NV
2 edits | I love it when a fanboy GOES ANONYMOUS with a such witty title to make one statement. Good job, NOT!!!
oH, SBCGLOBAL, slap me in the mouth and call me psychic, do I know you? |
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Killa200
Premium
join:2005-12-02
Spring City, TN
 ·AT&T Southeast
| 100mbit
"In the over 1300 on-net locations worldwide where Cogent provides service, Cogent is offering every Sprint-Nextel wireline customer that is unable to connect to Cogent's customers a free 100 megabit per second connection to the Internet for as long as Sprint continues to keep this partitioning of the Internet in place."
Keep fighting sprint... I'm on my way to an "on-net" location,  |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
 ·voip.ms
·Vitelity VOIP
·Callcentric
·VoiceStick
·ViaTalk
 ·Comcast
·Embarq
| reply to peeringisdead
Re: Peering needs to change
said by peeringisdead :
Sprint is a little man with a big ego. They are no longer a real Internet player and only carry a relatively small amount of the Internet traffic. The facts tend to show Sprint has a massive customer base worldwide and is reasonably well peered.
»www.renesys.com/products_service···ple_data
»www.fixedorbit.com/metrics.htm
»www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm |
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nnaarrnn
join:2004-09-30
Nitro, WV | reply to Killa200
Re: 100mbit
Sprint is THE backbone for 2 of the 3 major ISPs in this state. They're not just cell-service. I dont get why people think that. |
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peeringisdead
@comcast.net
| reply to espaeth
Re: Peering needs to change
said by espaeth  :The facts tend to show Sprint has a massive customer base worldwide and is reasonably well peered. That may be true, but the peering is legacy and customer base has been changing over the past few years. Many of these customers are very small or use Sprint for very little data (ask around).
ASN metrics are tricky and not sure they are a complete measurement of an entity proportion of "Internet" volume. e.g 20 ASNs with 200G of data vs 1000 ASNs with a combined total of 160G of data. Which is bigger? |
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audiog
join:2004-08-09
Detroit, MI
| reply to peeringisdead
Tell that to the FCC who wants the cost system to go away because it would cost THE NEW AT&T and VERIZON a lot of money each month. The cost system was based on the terminating carrier (and the peers are carriers ) charging the originating carrier a fee based on a cost model. And the new system favors AT&T and Verizon. The new system that is being hashed out reduces the rates by a factor of 1000 and says that the internet has no cost the terminating carrier when in fact the peering if done by fiber or copper DS interconnects and by FCC rules if they( AT&T and Verizon) say you have to run fiber to me at this point( that is not cost effective to you ) that is your only choice. |
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JoeGuru
@smu.edu | reply to nnaarrnn
Re: 100mbit
Can anyone find any major sites that don't have alternate peering that would be inaccessible from a sprint wireless phone? |
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iansltx_
@spcsdns.net | Blip.tv? Carbonite maybe? Checking on MTV based sites right now...Ciacom uses a lotta Cogent.
What ISPs are affected other than Sprint wireless, Xohm and Embarq? What websites are Sprint only? |
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peeringsucks
@silvertoncasino.com | reply to JoeGuru
powweb for one...
www.powweb.com |
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hescominsoon
join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD
·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to peeringisdead
Re: Peering needs to change
said by peeringisdead :
Sprint is a little man with a big ego. They are no longer a real Internet player and only carry a relatively small amount of the Internet traffic.
The reality is "peering" as we know it needs to go away and all Internet traffic should have economic and actual costs/business measures associated with it based on how long the ISP carries the traffic from source to destination.
Just because you are now a Tier1, doesn't mean you should be. The Tier system is completely broken and needs to be flushed.
the reality is cogent routinely tries to violate it's peering agreements by sending more traffic over peering links than they receive. This results in de-peering as it well should. What then happens is cogent then pays the difference it exceeded the peering agreement(as it should) and things go back to normal.
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cybermud
join:2000-08-25
Chicago, IL | reply to iansltx_
Re: 100mbit
I've got a few embarq T1's that can still connect to my cogent sites. It would appear that embarq doesn't have any sort of requirement to solely use sprint for transit.
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www.donwest.org - Get in on it, Gang! |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to iansltx_
Looks like, so far, the only sites that are down are Carbonite and Cogent's own website, from my Sprint phone. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to cybermud
What do the traceroutes go through? |
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compuwizz
join:2001-03-05
Blacksburg, VA | reply to iansltx
A few voip providers will probably be hard to get to. Gafachi comes to mind. They tend to have only Cogent routes. |
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davidpaj
join:2002-04-22 | reply to peeringsucks
my site www.ncwisp.net for another |
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Windogg
join:2002-07-24
Cambridge, MA
| Typical Cogent
My office has a 100mbps/$1000 McBandwidth connection and it follows the old addage:
Fast, cheap, reliable: Pick 2 out of 3.
The line is fast and cheap. It's about as reliable as a 1986 Yugo. At least once a week we have a serious issue requiring support to reboot our port on their L3 switch.
Maintenance happens on a whim with no reports on their site. It's only after calling up support do we find out something is going on. I guess if it's maintenance, the line is not "down" and subject to the SLA.
Their salesman are typical of most in sales. They promise you the world and once the ink is dry, disappears off the face of the Earth.
The depeering with Telia last year caused some headaches as we had to bounce a lot of traffic through a slower link. This incident has finally made our beancounters see the light on why cheap does not always save money. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to davidpaj
Re: 100mbit
Your site doesn't even seem to be up from my Comcast connection which has links to both L3 and Cogent pretty directly. As to PowWeb, they look to be Cogent-only and thus down. |
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cybermud
join:2000-08-25
Chicago, IL | reply to iansltx
level3 |
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