Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
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Erial, NJ | Really.....
Who's shocked by this? |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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Avalon, NJ
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| said by Jodokast96  :Who's shocked by this? Was PUN intentional? |
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
1 edit | Uh, yeah, sure. Absolutely!
Not a chance this soon after waking up. |
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weaseled386
join:2008-04-13
Port Orange, FL | Good for Vz
Good for Verizon. Should they have been grounding things properly from the start? Certainly. However, NY opened the can of worms... now, especially given the proof, they should be responsible for checking ALL installations. |
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dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
| Not surprised
And I bet they are busy trying to get cheaper labor.
And how about the general ugliness of cable installs!? I never let those asshats touch my house unless I am there watching. Their idea of a cable install is to drill a hole in your wall no matter what the room, and run a big ass ugly wire up the side of your house! Amazing...
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"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard. " Ecclesiastes 9:16
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dnoyeB
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Southfield, MI | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Really.....
LOL, yea it took me a few reads to get it. He's right, maybe TK is an early riser  |
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PoloDude
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join:2006-03-29
East Northport, NY
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| What's good for the goose...
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The whole thing is a joke. This never should have come up without a mis-submission of application. FiOS is a sub 50v use. |
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sedorox
join:2006-06-23
Williamsport, PA
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| Proper Grounding?
So with all this talk about improper grounding, what is proper grounding for cable and telephone? I've seen a ton of pictures of bad, but never any good. Makes me wonder if I've done my setups wrong, or how I can at least improve them.
P.S. I don't know if this is better asked attached to this news piece, or in another forum, like Home Repair & Improvement. |
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cdru
Go Colts
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Fort Wayne, IN
| The proper way is designed grounding point on ONT to approved grounding point in house electrical system. This could be a ground terminal the the breaker box, attaching it to the grounding rod with approved fastener, etc. The NEC is fairly clear on what's approved and what's not. |
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Bobcat
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Bedminster, NJ | reply to sedorox
My cable is grounded to a water faucet. That's not allowed? |
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BillRoland
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I'm sure the unions are just bringing this up as a service of public safety, and they have absolutely NO financial gains in mind. 
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sedorox
join:2006-06-23
Williamsport, PA
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Re: Proper Grounding?
So I guess it follows NEC Code? I should probably read up. Right now the cable at my parents house it grounded to the cold water pipe, which is about 20ft from entrance, where the electrical system is grounded to. When I redid our cable in the house (went from all sorts of mis-matched cables to RG6-Quad shield), I just kept it grounded to the same location that Comcast originally had it, except I sanded the pipe a bit more to get a better contact.
Also, if you have multiple splitters (like in the last picture in the article), each of them needs their own, separate, bond? |
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
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 It is important to remember that if the ground block is connected to a cold water faucet, your plumbing must be a conductor (Copper). Plastic pipe (PVC or CPVC) just won't do. If you have plastic plumbing, run a Ten gauge stranded wire, insulated wire is OK, from the grounding block where your cable drop terminates to the ground rod where the electrical service entrance is grounded.
I learned about proper grounding the hard way. When my cable was installed many years ago at another residence, the cable installer drove in a Six Foot Ground Rod and tied the grounding block to that ground. The service entrance was about 50 feet from the grounding block. There was no connection between the ground block and the service entrance ground. During an intense thunder storm, lightning struck nearby. A flash over occurred between a splitter I had installed between the Cable connection, TV and VCR and a splitter installed between the Antenna, TV and VCR. The power supply for the antenna amplifier was destroyed. My neighbor experienced a flash over at the same time between the cable outlet and the power outlet damaging their television. I checked with an electrical inspector and found that the grounding block must be bonded to the service entrance ground. |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
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said by Bobcat :My cable is grounded to a water faucet. That's not allowed? Probably not, it has be very close to where a metal water pipe exits the house underground and travels at least ten feet underground. To use other metal plumbing locations they have be bonded (with the appropriate wire) to such a location. |
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brainlessdog
join:2005-11-30
Portsmouth, NH
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Re: Unions
It might be about money, maybe also to protect the members. The cable installers are usually contractors getting paid per job. One would expect shoddy work from those hacks.
A Verizon installer is union and getting paid 30+ bucks an hour. There should be no excuse for no grounds. That is pure lazy installers.
The union will use this to get management to back off production numbers. I can see it now. The union will tell management that the workers need more time to do the installs safely. I am sure the managers are pissed that a 30 dollar an hour installer can't even put a ground in. |
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koma3504
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join:2004-06-22
North Richland Hills, TX
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Re: Good for Vz
This is not just A verizon issue. I have this issue with Att also. And just Yesterday Another one of my Electrition friends droped by and was looking at the way Att Hooked it up and said It was not Code and for the likes of him cannot see why they hooked it up that way. |
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badtrip
East Bay
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Albany, CA
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Re: Unions
said by BillRoland :I'm sure the unions are just bringing this up as a service of public safety, and they have absolutely NO financial gains in mind. I don't see how a unions trying to get more work for their members is a bad thing, especially when the US has lost almost a million jobs recently.
And by the way, almost everything that is done in the business world is done with financial gains in mind. AFAIK, Verizon has not changed to not for profit status. |
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SteveCon
IBEW 2222 Boston, MA
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Burlington, MA
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2 edits | reply to Mr Matt
Re: Proper Grounding?
Actually, *all* grounds *must* be bonded together. Further, the neutral (a.k.a. grounded) conductor of the electrical service must be connected to the grounding electrode(s) or rod(s) to become part of the ground system. Under most circumstances, multiple ground systems are not permitted. Any rooftop antenna, satellite dish, CATV, TelCo and Electric Company grounds must *all* be bonded together.
This means multiple ground rods (where employed) must be bonded together. If a cold water pipe or gas pipe (where permitted) is to be used as a ground or grounding electrode, those pipes too, must be bonded (if not already - with approved clamps designed for the use) to the ground system.
As mentioned earlier, the pipes must not be made of PVC, or other non-conductive materials if used for ground. |
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Telcoguru
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join:2005-08-22
Fresh Meadows, NY | reply to Bobcat
It needs to be grounded within 5ft of where the water main enters the building with 10 gauge wire. Assuming the water main is a copper pipe of course. |
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Telcoguru
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Fresh Meadows, NY | reply to BillRoland
Re: Unions
How would the Unions gain financially from this? |
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