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Comments on news posted 2008-10-09 08:12:59: Last month the Senate finally passed a new broadband collection bill that would, optimistically, actually try to find out how wired the nation is for broadband. ..

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pnh102
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Good

Congress should just scrap the bill altogether. No national broadband "plan" is needed, and as has been pointed out before, it is trivially easy for people to find out if a residence to which they are moving is serviced for broadband.

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If broadband providers are not providing data that explains where they are providing service, then why is it possible for customers to access said data?
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There are no national broadband issues that need addressing

There are no broadband issues that Joe Taxpayer needs to solve, especially with $500B deficits every year. Congress needs to quit wasting money on bullcrap like this. Unfortunately when you have candidates saying that earmarks are "ONLY" $18B as if $18B wasn't a lot of money, I doubt that scalpel will find it's way off the tray.


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If broadband providers are not providing data that explains where they are providing service, then why is it possible for customers to access said data?
So you're saying that customers having access to limited one-off pre-qualification databases is the same thing as the government having accurate national broadband penetration, coverage and deployment data before making massive decisions?


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President didn't sign this bill yet

The bill is sitting on the President's desk:
»thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z···s.01492:

But even if he signs it - so what?
Without money all it did was to order the FCC to do what it already planned on doing. Nothing really changes at all.


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So you're saying that customers having access to limited one-off pre-qualification databases is the same thing as the government having accurate national broadband penetration, coverage and deployment data before making massive decisions?
I am saying the government has no need for such information, as there is nothing it can do to improve broadband.
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Re: President didn't sign this bill yet

Without money all it did was to order the FCC to do what it already planned on doing.
Incorrect. It brings in additional agencies.
The Commerce Department is one of several federal agencies that will now be tasked with improving national data on broadband services and utilizing that data to improve policies to enhance and expand the technological infrastructure, including the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), the Census Bureau (a nominally independent part of Commerce), the Government Accountability Office, and the Small Business Administration.
Where the money will come from is a question. Maybe they can borrow money from AIG's executive relaxation and sauna treatment fund?


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Ah.


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Re: There are no national broadband issues that need addressing

Going after earmarks because of 18B while there are so many other "gifts" worth much more is just non-sensical.

Mr. McCain's problem is his poor campaign team. "Earmarks" is precisely why McCain voted against the bill with all the "goodies" in it, but he failed to point that out when he had the chance.

Problem with earmarks is not just the bills that pass but also them being used to shoot down bills that competition does not want to be passed. I guess people only under stand $$$. But then if thats the case, why even make it part of your campaign...

And no, Joe Taxpayer does not need to "solve" any broadband issues. Get out of the way and let the States handle it.
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Re: President didn't sign this bill yet

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Where the money will come from is a question. Maybe they can borrow money from AIG's executive relaxation and sauna treatment fund?
Part 1 or 2?
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It brings in additional agencies. Where the money will come from is a question.
Extra bureaucracy and unclear funding sources. Goverment at it's best.
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said by footballdude See Profile :

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

It brings in additional agencies. Where the money will come from is a question.
Extra bureaucracy and unclear funding sources. Goverment at it's best.
Yes, without extra funds what are these other agencies going to do? NOTHING!
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Both. This entire project could be funded with AIG's taxpayer-funded pedicure getaway.

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I am saying the government has no need for such information, as there is nothing it can do to improve broadband.
so you already have your 100Mbps symmetric connection for $50/mo?

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early risers?

seems like mainly broadband luddites up early this morning.


Karl Bode
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Re: President didn't sign this bill yet

Adding things like broadband-related census questions is helpful and inexpensive. The GAO meanwhile already investigates FCC dysfunction, and can roll this into their existing mandate...


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Re: There are no national broadband issues that need addressing

And who funds the States? Jane Taxpayer.

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said by pnh102 See Profile :

I am saying the government has no need for such information, as there is nothing it can do to improve broadband.
so you already have your 100Mbps symmetric connection for $50/mo?
I'm sure it comes through the same corporate phallus he has rammed up his rectum.


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Re: There are no national broadband issues that need addressing

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And who funds the States? Jane Taxpayer.
No shit. Do these guys think the states are geting their money from different sources?


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said by Karl Bode See Profile :

So you're saying that customers having access to limited one-off pre-qualification databases is the same thing as the government having accurate national broadband penetration, coverage and deployment data before making massive decisions?
I am saying the government has no need for such information, as there is nothing it can do to improve broadband.
Sure it can. I can give insentives to companies to build out broadband. Hard to do that when you don't know where it's needed.


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Re: There are no national broadband issues that need addressing

Or that the States are in the same or worse position deficit-wise as the Federal gov't. California, which has been running Obamanomics for more than a decade is on the verge of TOTAL collapse.

You want to see what an Obama fiscal policy would look like, just look at Sacramento. In the fat years, balloon gov't exponentially. In the lean years, come crying to Joe Taxpayer that they'll let out all the criminals and fire all the firefighters if they don't balloon taxes.

Radical liberal fiscal policy is not change, it's just more of the same. Gov't isn't the solution to any broadband problem. They can't even do the most basic functions without f-ing it all up and having it cost 100X what it should cost.

Of course McCain is no better as an ardent free trader, expecting US workers to compete head to head with slave wages and near zero regulations of other countries or worse, wanting to make every illegal here legal with the sign of a pen, inviting an invasion of unskilled illegals from the south that will decimate public services and drive down wages of legal residents, especially lower income legal immigrants.
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