flycuban
join:2005-04-25
Homestead, FL
| Only in Canada
I wonder how much $$$ the bell's are giving to the top government officials. If this was done here in the US - there would be an uproar. I guess that is what you get when there are only two choices - DSL or Cable.
Makes you think if the cable & bell's aren't in on imposing caps, throttling etc... |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000
| Just wondering.
I remember reading several places that Bell had language in their Contracts with the NSPs that says they could throttle their wholesale accounts. Why didn't the NSPs raise hell when they signed the contracts?
AT&T/Bellsouth has similar language in their contracts with NSPs, yet no one is yelling at AT&T. When they do eventually pull this same kind of stunt you will hear from the NSPs. Well if they still exist and AT&T has not lobbied them out of existence.
To clear things up, I don't support the Bell throttling. That is something that should be left up to the ISP, not the wholesaler. |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to flycuban
Re: Only in Canada
said by flycuban  :I wonder how much $$$ the bell's are giving to the top government officials. If this was done here in the US - there would be an uproar. I guess that is what you get when there are only two choices - DSL or Cable. Makes you think if the cable & bell's aren't in on imposing caps, throttling etc... We've known for years that the CRTC is at least partially controlled by Bell (many senior members worked for Bell) and in general they've sided with Bell on telecom issues.
Problem is besides the controlling interest, there is no affordable alternative or even any way of providing competition with DSL or cable.
In the case of cable, all the big cable companies eventually bought out the smaller companies and they all own the lines.
With DSL, while smaller providers can setup their own DSLAMs (Primus and a few others are already doing so) it is very costly and on top of that Bell is now in a fight to disallow providers from installing their own DSLAMs. There is also an issue where Bell does not have to (as per CRTC rules) provide access to remotes.
Alternatives such as fiber are much too costly and while there is WiMax, guess who owns it? Bell and Rogers. So that leaves us with cable and DSL. It's too bad Verizon can't provide fios here. |
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huhkeepreading
@anonymouse.org
thumbs down from:
TKJunkMail
| reply to battleop
Re: Just wondering.
said by battleop :I remember reading several places that Bell had language in their Contracts with the NSPs that says they could throttle their wholesale accounts. Why didn't the NSPs raise hell when they signed the contracts? AT&T/Bellsouth has similar language in their contracts with NSPs, yet no one is yelling at AT&T. When they do eventually pull this same kind of stunt you will hear from the NSPs. Well if they still exist and AT&T has not lobbied them out of existence. To clear things up, I don't support the Bell throttling. That is something that should be left up to the ISP, not the wholesaler. You read wrong..
And what the hell do you mean by Throttling should be left up to the ISP not the Wholesaler??? wtf world do you live in? That's EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENED!! The ISP (Bell) decided to THROTTLE EVERYONE, Their own and WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS (Customers that aren't their own)
Dude i've read worthless posts, but this one takes the cake, you even know what you're talkin about??? |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000
| Ok, first of all this is not a Fox News ALERT! You do not have to use extra exclamation points nor do you have to use all caps randomly.
"And what the hell do you mean by Throttling should be left up to the ISP not the Wholesaler???"
It should be the ISPs choice to throttle not the wholesaler (Bell). I didn't say the ISPs should throttle, but if anyone should make that decision it should be the ISP. They are the one offering the service to the end user not the wholesaler. |
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
·Velcom
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Radioactif
·Videotron
·Look Communications
| said by battleop :Ok, first of all this is not a Fox News ALERT! You do not have to use extra exclamation points nor do you have to use all caps randomly. "And what the hell do you mean by Throttling should be left up to the ISP not the Wholesaler???" It should be the ISPs choice to throttle not the wholesaler (Bell). I didn't say the ISPs should throttle, but if anyone should make that decision it should be the ISP. They are the one offering the service to the end user not the wholesaler. Oh WOW ! These ISPs are NOT Wholesalers !! They are not purchasing the bandwidth from Bell. They are merely paying for a link between the Bell collocation and their OWN collocation where they have their servers and their own high level Internet provider. The problem is Bell are a**holes and decieded the throttle that link between the 2 colocation thus putting these ISPs in the same crap as Bell's own Sympatico internet service.
Adi |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| Thinking the last couple posts are saying the same thing... Thinking there's just a lingo difference here guys. Battleop... Most of the discussions to date have had companies like ours identified as wholesalers as we're buying from an incumbent/Carrier... Thinking you are all signing the same song here, just with a different tongue of sorts! 
Regards,
Rocky
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | reply to adisor19
Sigh....
They are buying wholesale connection from the Customer's Premise to their Network. What they (the ISP) do with the connection should be up to the ISP. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| said by battleop :Sigh.... They are buying wholesale connection from the Customer's Premise to their Network. What they (the ISP) do with the connection should be up to the ISP. You guys are definitely signing the same song....
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA | reply to flycuban
Re: Only in Canada
i don't know why companies complain about the throttling. its your choice if you want to use lousy vpop services that depend on someone else. if their network has lousy policies, CO-LOCATE your own dslams. |
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
·Velcom
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Radioactif
·Videotron
·Look Communications
| reply to R0CKY
Re: Just wondering.
said by R0CKY :said by battleop :Sigh.... They are buying wholesale connection from the Customer's Premise to their Network. What they (the ISP) do with the connection should be up to the ISP. You guys are definitely signing the same song.... Well however you look at it Rocky, Bell are still a monopolistic parasite that needs to be badly broken up / regulated. Helas the CRTC is moving at a snail's pace..
Adi |
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
·Velcom
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Radioactif
·Videotron
·Look Communications
| reply to flycuban
Re: Only in Canada
said by flycuban :I wonder how much $$$ the bell's are giving to the top government officials. If this was done here in the US - there would be an uproar. I guess that is what you get when there are only two choices - DSL or Cable. Makes you think if the cable & bell's aren't in on imposing caps, throttling etc... Heh, you would think that.. but LOOK CLOSER please. Just like the terminator, Ma Bell has reshaped itself to the huge monopoly it was back in the day. It's not that much better in the states, trust me. The only good thing is that in Verizon territory(where Ma Bell is not present), you can get a GOOD Internet connection for a reasonable price. Wonder how long that will last though..
Adi |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000
| reply to R0CKY
Re: Just wondering.
We have to deal with AT&T's Wholesale group for our BBG connection. This probably the same for you but the probably have a different set of acronyms. In my world a wholesale DSL circuit is just an A to Z connection. We have to add our network and resources to this connection to make things work for the end user. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| said by battleop :We have to deal with AT&T's Wholesale group for our BBG connection. This probably the same for you but the probably have a different set of acronyms. In my world a wholesale DSL circuit is just an A to Z connection. We have to add our network and resources to this connection to make things work for the end user. Yup... it's similar to that example here.
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000
| reply to adisor19
The only real way to break them up is to split them into a wholesale and retail side. Let the ILEC become the ones that maintain the "Network" and bring products to market. Regulate the wholesale side and make USF fees work like they are intended to.
Let the retail side operate like a CLec. The ILecs often complain that their hands are tied when comes to competing with Clecs on pricing. This would free them up to compete on pricing. If they are paying the same price that any other CLec pays then they could compete accordingly. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to mlerner
Re: Only in Canada
who says anything about Wimax? havent you heard of other Wireless Internet access. Many providers are doing it in Canada. But would you want anything different since you have a TekSavvy logo above your name.
You need to wake up and realize that the free ride is over. Build out with Wireless/ MMDS or get left in the dust. |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| said by hottboiinnc :who says anything about Wimax? havent you heard of other Wireless Internet access. Many providers are doing it in Canada. But would you want anything different since you have a TekSavvy logo above your name. You need to wake up and realize that the free ride is over. Build out with Wireless/ MMDS or get left in the dust. Unfortunately most of those other wireless options aren't as reliable especially ones that use unlicensed spectrum. I might also point out TS does provide some wireless solutions as well but they're no substitute unless you have no other options at all.
You might also need to remember that your country has a much higher population so it might be viable there to have more competition and access but it's not viable here. |
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simon726
join:2006-12-21
Ajax, ON | let Bell eat cake....
Bell should be responsible for their actions in which they drained Indie ISPs. |
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insomx
Premium
join:2003-01-26
Canada | Ummmm
Doesn't Bell own Telus...? Civil war??? Hah |
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tiger9
join:2005-08-01
Ont,Canada | reply to hottboiinnc
Re: Only in Canada
2 - Bell and Rogers. Not much more. |
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