 iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
 ·Verizon Online DSL
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·Comcast
| SIze estimates are WRONG 1. 0.05 KB/email is wrong. That's fifty bytes. It's 0.05 MB. So 5 million e-mails, not 50 million.
2. On DRM-free 256k songs, at a little less than 4 minutes apiece, which is average, we're looking at 7.5 MB per song. About 33,000 songs downloaded per month.
3. HD movies...they've got the bitrate way too low. A feature film is maybe 100 minutes. With their calculations, that pegs movie compession at about 2.67 MBit/s. iTunes' movies are a mere 5 Mbit for video alone, plus another 160k or so for audio, so we're looking at 4 GB per movie, or 63 movies total. Or, let's put it this way, you can watch about 104 hours of 5 Mbit/s HD content per month, whereas Comcast allows unilimited TV viewing, possibly at higher bitrates 
4. Don't know where they got 10MB from; JPEG files are less (2-5 MB), RAW files are more (20-30 MB).
At any rate, I might go over the limit. Not good. | |
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 | | | Re: SIze estimates are WRONG said by iansltx:1. 0.05 KB/email is wrong. That's fifty bytes. It's 0.05 MB. So 5 million e-mails, not 50 million. 2. On DRM-free 256k songs, at a little less than 4 minutes apiece, which is average, we're looking at 7.5 MB per song. About 33,000 songs downloaded per month. 3. HD movies...they've got the bitrate way too low. A feature film is maybe 100 minutes. With their calculations, that pegs movie compession at about 2.67 MBit/s. iTunes' movies are a mere 5 Mbit for video alone, plus another 160k or so for audio, so we're looking at 4 GB per movie, or 63 movies total. Or, let's put it this way, you can watch about 104 hours of 5 Mbit/s HD content per month, whereas Comcast allows unilimited TV viewing, possibly at higher bitrates 4. Don't know where they got 10MB from; JPEG files are less (2-5 MB), RAW files are more (20-30 MB). At any rate, I might go over the limit. Not good. They tend to use way low conservative measures to make the "allowance" seem bigger.
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| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: SIze estimates are WRONG But of course...
Geez, looks like I'll be renting my modem or buying a cheap ne. No sense in spending $60 on a cable modem that
a) Will be obsolete relatively soon
b) Works on a capped service | |
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 maartenaElmoPremium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1 | I can live with that. 250 Gb is a REASONABLE cap.
So far, I have downloaded 50 Gb, and uploaded 60 Gb this month.... and I swear to God I have not downloaded/uploaded a single piece of copyrighted material - as far as I am aware.
Most of the upload is for my game servers, I run 5 OpenTTD servers on 1 PC, which is an Open Source Transport simulator with online play, which averages about 1.5 to 2 Gb of upload per day. Average map size to download when you connect is about 2 Mb, and I get hundreds of players a day, and then there is the continues traffic when playing. This is a game you can "leave alone" for quite a while, so players build up a train network, go afk for hours, then come back to build more train tracks.
Most of the downloading this month is Linux ISO's, I downloaded several DVD's earlier this month, Ubuntu, Debian, and OpenSUSE, and just to test how TWC's powerboost works with torrents I downloaded OpenSUSE 11.0 DVD twice last week. I also have an MSDN account and download most of the new stuff that MS comes out with, and test it within a virtual machine.
And then there is the regular e-mail traffic, online TV stations I watch, regular webtraffic, and there is two persons always on the computer - me and my wife.
There are so many persons that immediatly jump to conclusions. And I admit freely I have downloaded some movies in the past, but I rarely have time to watch anything but the news on TV these days, so I haven't bothered for a long time.... but I do like my geek stuff, my geek train games, and my geek linux things.
But 250 Gb.... I won't reach. I could even live with a 100 Gb cap if needed, but the caps that TWC is thinking of (5 and 20 Gb) are absolutely rediculous. And I would probably switch ISP with a 100 Gb cap too. 250 Gb however.... no problem!
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| | | Re: I can live with that. You know, even Bill Gates never thought that a PC would need more than 640K of ram. You probably need at least of 1 GB to run Vista today.
Still feel that 250 GB will be a limit you will never reach ?
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| | maartenaElmoPremium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1 | Re: I can live with that. said by sturmvogel:Still feel that 250 GB will be a limit you will never reach? No one said they can't reevaluate the cap in 2 years, and increase it to 300, and then to 350 in 2012.... or remove it all together. It doesn't say anywhere this cap is permanent till you retire.
But at least comcast puts up a decent number... I couldn't live with the 40 Gb other ISPs are proposing. I have TWC right now, and have no cap... but if they do impose one, i'll most likely switch if it is anything less then 150 Gb or so. | |
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|  pspcrazyAnime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA | So then if I use 10 GB of data how much will I get back in the mail? NOTHING in other words this cap is just another way to rip the users off, and put more control on their line. I'll be dropping cable if I see any cap on the line. This is ridiculous. | |
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 paulhaskewUnoffical Dominos Spokesman
join:2002-01-10
Vancouver, WA | .... oh the joy of capitalism... the only other high speed provider in my area would be Qworst... | |
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 tuarisYou Clicked on the Apple
join:2001-10-19
Naples, FL |  At least one good thing comes out of this...
It's too bad for online movie rentals though, that was actually a very good idea (except for the DRM part of it.
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: At least one good thing comes out of this... Amen to that. Time for new guys to start courting Google, Netflix, etc. for investment in a new network that won't kill traffic once it reaches a certain limit. | |
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| | response from camcast to me This is my response from camcast today
Dear Sir or Madam, Thank you for contacting the Comcast Office of Rick Germano, Senior Vice President of Customer Operations regarding a bandwidth cap. Comcast is currently evaluating this service and pricing model to ensure we deliver a great online experience to our customers. We have not made any changes to our current service offerings and have no new announcement to make at this time. It is important to note that we must manage the network in such a way that this activity does not degrade the broadband experience for other users. Network management is absolutely essential to provide a good Internet experience for our customers. All major ISPs manage their traffic in some way and many use similar tools. Comcast believes we have a responsibility to our customers to provide this service. Network management helps us perform critical work that protects our customers from things like spam, viruses, the negative effects of network congestion, or attacks to their PCs. As threats on the Internet continue to grow, our network management tools will continue to evolve and keep pace so that we can maintain a good, reliable online experience for all of our customers. If you have any questions or need further assistance, please respond to this email with the following contact information: your address, city, state, zip code, and a phone number where you may be reached. This information will help us better research and understand your experience.. We will look into your concern immediately. We very much appreciate your business and I hope that you will allow us to work to restore your confidence in Comcast. Thank you for choosing Comcast. Sincerely, Melissa Hollands Office of Rick Germano Original Message Follows:------------------------- ------xxxxxxContent-Type:text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"Content-Transfer-Encoding:quoted-printable The following information was submitted from the Comcast Web site:
From what i read here this is supposed to make my web better. How I do not have a clue because less service and more expensive just doesn't click with me. | |
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tuarisYou Clicked on the Apple
join:2001-10-19
Naples, FL
1 edit | What about ads? How about SPAM?? Ads should not count towards the cap. That would be very very unfair.
Caps are a bad idea, because 90% of the stuff we get is stuff we don't want.
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|  kadarPremium,ExMod 2001-02
join:0000-00-00 | Re: What about ads? How about SPAM?? Simple fix.
Forward all spam to abuse@comcast.net and tell them to remove it from your cap.
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| | dscrap
join:2006-12-13
Vineland, NJ | Re: What about ads? How about SPAM?? works for spam email, but what about all of those flash ads on web pages and even the popup ones on the comcast site???? | |
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| | |  winsyrstrifeRiver City BouncePremium
join:2002-04-30
Brooklyn, NY | Re: What about ads? How about SPAM?? If you're really paranoid about caps, and are a Firefox user, try the above.
There are other add-ons solely for flash blocking, but I believe this would be a good all around tool for you. | |
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|  BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by tuaris:Ads should not count towards the cap. That would be very very unfair. Caps are a bad idea, because 90% of the stuff we get is stuff we don't want. Ads are not going to push you over a 250 GB cap. So please. If you don't like a site with ads then stop going there. They provide you acces for FREE the least you can do is put up with ads. mos tads even flash ads are under 100 KB even if they averaged 1 MB it would take 1000 to equal a GB | |
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| | | | Re: What about ads? How about SPAM?? You totally miss the point; if COMCAST is going to insist on caps then they will have to take the good with the bad. You can bet there will be class action over this one.
Your comment about whether it will or will not push someone over their cap is IRRELEVANT..it still adds to the cap that someone has very little control over. | |
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| | Used over 300 gigs downloading Olympic videos... Well, I guess I am screwed also. Over the past week, I have downloaded over 300gigs of videos with 2 directv hd-dvr receivers. Downloaded ALL of the olympic games, all of the videos they had. Guess I will have to move to ATT when they implement this BS. Why would they want to downgrade their service...?
Friend of mine also has comcast. He told me he is going to run torrents 24/7 to use as much bandwidth as possible to try and get himself terminated. Can't wait to see what happens... | |
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|  rloconeHonor Our Heros, Our Armed ForcesPremium
join:2002-04-10
Kokomo, IN | Re: Used over 300 gigs downloading Olympic videos... that would be interesting to see some stats. | |
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| cacoPremium
join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK | said by inferno:Friend of mine also has comcast. He told me he is going to run torrents 24/7 to use as much bandwidth as possible to try and get himself terminated. Can't wait to see what happens... Is you friend stupid? | |
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| |  250 is still 250
i guess its fine. | |
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| | | Re: 250 is still 250 so the secret cap all this time was 250gb? | |
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| | careful what you wish for... will the cap be adjusted as network technologies improve?
remember when that amazing visionary Bill Gates once said 640k was enough memory.
remember when the current US AMT limits caught only the uber rich.
250 G may be today's 'generous' cap but will be tomorrows joke. | |
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| | | Re: careful what you wish for... Or they could just drop that 250 gigabytes down to 100 gigabytes a month in the same fashion as they do in Canada? Maybe that's where Comcast will get the idea from. | |
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| | | It's kind of like a tax by the govt....once they put one in place, even a "temporary" one, it's next to impossible to get rid of it. The cap is long-term....glad I have "slow" DSL | |
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| | You wanted "neutrality;" now you have it. Since, by FCC decree, Comcast can no longer suppress just the most nasty bandwidth hogging behavior (which is exhibited by programs such as GNUtella and BitTorrent), it now has to limit everything. This is due to pressure by inside-the-Beltway lobbyists and lawyers for "network neutrality."
No one who complained about Comcast's behavior before should be complaining now, because this is the natural result of the FCC's decree. There's no free lunch; bandwidth costs money. LOTS of money in many areas. It isn't free and it isn't unlimited. Previously, Comcast was trying to impose an implicit limit by limiting the worst bandwidth-hogging applications -- a consumer-friendly method that eliminated worries about the meter running. But that approach has been prohibited. So, now consumers are saddled with overage charges and have to worry about their kids downloading something big that might create those charges. Boy, the "consumer advocates" inside the Beltway sure did a lot for consumers on this one! | |
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|  DaneJasperSonic.NetPremium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:9 | Re: You wanted "neutrality;" now you have it. said by SuperWISP:Since, by FCC decree, Comcast can no longer suppress just the most nasty bandwidth hogging behavior (which is exhibited by programs such as GNUtella and BitTorrent), it now has to limit everything. This is due to pressure by inside-the-Beltway lobbyists and lawyers for "network neutrality." No one who complained about Comcast's behavior before should be complaining now, because this is the natural result of the FCC's decree. There's no free lunch; bandwidth costs money. LOTS of money in many areas. It isn't free and it isn't unlimited. Previously, Comcast was trying to impose an implicit limit by limiting the worst bandwidth-hogging applications -- a consumer-friendly method that eliminated worries about the meter running. But that approach has been prohibited. So, now consumers are saddled with overage charges and have to worry about their kids downloading something big that might create those charges. Boy, the "consumer advocates" inside the Beltway sure did a lot for consumers on this one! This is doublespeak. Blocking P2P isn't "consumer-friendly", unless those consumers are not going to do anything but surf the web!
I think a big capped block of bandwidth you can do whatever you want with is a lot better than a sanitized or broken product that precludes legitimate uses.
-Dane | |
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| | Screw comcast! I am canceling my Comcast HSI!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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| | | Re: Screw comcast! If I hadn't already cancelled my Comcast service, I would now.
If anything I think Comcast is screwing themselves--out of customers who actually like to use their Internet connection. Anyone with an alternative to Comcast will likely be looking at switching--this is a rather drastic change to their TOS (which, yes, won't affect some customers at all).
I hope they get what they want: a network sitting there mostly unused by a dwindling customer base. | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | said by Comcast user :
I am canceling my Comcast HSI!!!!!!!!!!!!
And going to what? Dialup? Slow DSL? Capped satellite and cellphones? | |
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| jdmatl
join:2000-04-27
Deerfield Beach, FL | News flash, AT&T is getting ready to put monthly caps onto slower DSL also. Unless you can get Vz Fois, CC is the best choice for your $$$ | |
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R62006
join:2006-05-03
Las Vegas, NV | Thank god - U-VERSE has arrived in Jacksonville. Thank god - U-VERSE has arrived in Jacksonville....i can finally switch when this CAP is implemented. | |
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| |  Has anybody...
I can see the limit being hit in households where everyone is a roommate & everyone shares the same connection. Also I would be curious if people are going to try to get a 2nd connection, etc | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Has anybody... said by cscottm: Also I would be curious if people are going to try to get a 2nd connection, etc Any hog with disposable income will get it. | |
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| BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by cscottm:I keep reading questions about how people can consume more then 250 gigs per month. I was just curious if anybody who has a hard time figuring out why with people consuming more then x amount per month, has gone over to a friends place & see what they are downloading, watching, etc & realized that it was possible. I can see the limit being hit in households where everyone is a roommate & everyone shares the same connection. Also I would be curious if people are going to try to get a 2nd connection, etc Sure
Online gaming? Even 24/7 that wouldn't even be 50 GB. Who plays 24/7? Most people would use under 15 GB. VoIP? 6 hours a day on the phone = 10GB. 6 hours a day of watching streaming TV from places like Hulu( assuming you're actually are streaming at 1.2 Mbps all the time which you won't be ) = 95 GB. Downloading 6 HD movies a month from places like Itunes or Xbox Live = 35 GB. 8 hours a day of streaming music online= 20 GB per month. 6 hours a day of watching videos from places like YouTube = 25 GB per month. Watching 50 1080p HD movie trailers per month = 5 GB. General websurfing that doesn't involve activities already mentioned and using e-mail maybe 20 GB a month even with a family of 4. Total = 225 GB. And you still have 25 left to use. | |
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|  AlcoholPremium
join:2003-05-26
Climax, MI
kudos:3
·Comcast
| said by cscottm:I keep reading questions about how people can consume more then 250 gigs per month. I was just curious if anybody who has a hard time figuring out why with people consuming more then x amount per month, has gone over to a friends place & see what they are downloading, watching, etc & realized that it was possible. I can see the limit being hit in households where everyone is a roommate & everyone shares the same connection. Also I would be curious if people are going to try to get a 2nd connection, etc Ever heard of warez? | |
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| | BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: Has anybody... said by Alcohol:said by cscottm:I keep reading questions about how people can consume more then 250 gigs per month. I was just curious if anybody who has a hard time figuring out why with people consuming more then x amount per month, has gone over to a friends place & see what they are downloading, watching, etc & realized that it was possible. I can see the limit being hit in households where everyone is a roommate & everyone shares the same connection. Also I would be curious if people are going to try to get a 2nd connection, etc Ever heard of warez? Yes warez is ILLEGAL and why should an ISP have to provide people doing illegal things the bandwidth to do those illegal activities? | |
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| | Working from home. Well, for the folks which work from home this is going to be an issue. Being a software developer I will exceed this cap along with my family usage. This is entirely unacceptable which Comcast pulls this from the rear of there butts. One of the problem Comcast has is they lease out their backbone network to L3 to due their maintenance contract when an outage occurs, this is expensive. You wonder where your money goes, huh!!
The downside is, I'm locked to Comcast as there is no one else around for high speed data. Verizon is on the horizon but not soon enough. | |
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| jdmatl
join:2000-04-27
Deerfield Beach, FL | Re: Working from home. Upgrade to Comcast Business.
»www.comcast.com/corporate/business/Small/
They won't be capping business accounts. Sure it is going to cost you more (not that much), but no cap!
Since you are a software developer, and probably have either a LLC, or S-Corp, you can write the cost off on your taxes, which I am sure you do now as part of your "home office".
Plus they give some more services with their business account. No, I don't work for crapcast, but have used their biz offering for my company in remote locations with good results. Could be worse, cap could be 250 gigs a month. I am sure AT&T DSL "pending" cap for 3-6meg customers is just waiting in the wings | |
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I manage a project that is open source. Free.
The donations that we receive barely pay the server costs. Most of the time I have to shell a few bucks out of my own pocket to keep things going.
I do have consideration for other users on my node and do my backups at night and at a slower rate.
This is going to hurt. | |
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| | NetMeter 1.1.3 Well, the day has finally arrived, and for all the back and forth about how "bad" Comcrap is, in the end, it's their network and their rules. So, I've been using this app for almost 2 years now, and while I can't vouch for it's accuracy bit for bit, I feel it is a close approximation...
»www.metal-machine.de/readerror/
Oh, and by the way, ReadError is the developers Name, go figure... | |
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| Ikarasu
join:2004-01-09
Port Coquitlam, BC | Re: NetMeter 1.1.3 Dumeter > Netmeter :P | |
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| | Online gaming... It's not downloading content I am worried about it's, Gaming. You don't realize but 6KB a sec adds up when you play online games.
Calculate now on how long it would take to add up to 250 GB with playing an online game... | |
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|  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:6 | Re: Online gaming... said by Trinijoy:It's not downloading content I am worried about it's, Gaming. You don't realize but 6KB a sec adds up when you play online games. Calculate now on how long it would take to add up to 250 GB with playing an online game... 16 months.
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| | BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
1 edit | Re: Online gaming... said by funchords:said by Trinijoy:It's not downloading content I am worried about it's, Gaming. You don't realize but 6KB a sec adds up when you play online games. Calculate now on how long it would take to add up to 250 GB with playing an online game... 16 months. 6 KB per sec =
360 KB per minute
21 MB per hour
506 MB per day
14.8 GB per month
who plays 24/7 anyways? | |
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| | | funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:6 | Re: Online gaming... But that does really illustrate the need for a self-monitoring tool that's better than -- don't worry, we'll warn you before implementing our "final solution."
C'mon, Comcast, it's just the right thing to do! You said you were listening to your users -- well your users are telling you -- in droves -- that they need this tool. | |
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1 edit | said by BF69:said by funchords:said by Trinijoy:It's not downloading content I am worried about it's, Gaming. You don't realize but 6KB a sec adds up when you play online games. Calculate now on how long it would take to add up to 250 GB with playing an online game... 16 months. 6 KB per sec = 360 KB per minute 21 MB per hour 506 MB per day 14.8 GB per month who plays 24/7 anyways? My son..... | |
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| | Usage monitoring software for home network? I have 3 - 4 computers on my LAN. If I'd like to keep track of my usage, do I have to install monitoring software on all machines and add up the totals by checking on each? Or is there something that can keep a running tally of total usage in and out of my house?
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 metrodustHey Thats Mine
join:1999-12-10
Seattle, WA | So does this include.. the 4 gig a month in ARP traffic that hits my firewall? | |
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| | here is how to stop this maddness File a complaint, mention the fact that they aren't helping you keep track on there end and that you can't keep track on yours (because the trackers from goggle don't take vonage, or multiple computers, or game consoles into account)
»esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm | |
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