battleop
join:2005-09-28
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| That's not my job. - CWA Motto
If you have ever had to deal with a CWA worker from a Clec or ISP's point of view you will understand their motto.
It took 3 weeks and 4 different crews to bring a 50 pair cable into our building for one of our colo customers. That's after we provided a 3 inch conduit from out side the building to their rack with very few bends and their specified pull string. |
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footballdude
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO | they caved
Ten percent raise and fully paid health care. Verizon folded like a house of cards.
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aaronwt
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join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | said by footballdude  :Ten percent raise and fully paid health care. Verizon folded like a house of cards. That's 10.5% over 3 years. Not very much. Only 3.5% a year.
The inflation rate is higher than that. |
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Lee GWB
Yaco
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join:2001-10-13
Allendale, NJ | Correct! I think it is the Health care that Unions are worried about. My union is negotiations too. However we have not had a contract in 2 years. 
Talk about inflation |
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fatmanskinny
Premium
join:2004-01-04
Wandering
 ·Comcast Digital Vo..
 ·Comcast
1 edit | Here's what ended the strike....
"Guys, if you show up at work, we will give you raises + fully paid for health-care!"
"That's not enough!"
"Did we mention free FIOS triple play for your household?"
Breaking news: Strike plans were cancelled due to FIOS Triple Play being the deal maker a raise and fully paid for health-care.
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fatmanskinny
Premium
join:2004-01-04
Wandering
·Comcast Digital Vo..
·Comcast
| reply to aaronwt
Re: they caved
Yup! Inflation will eat that up. The longer you work for a company that gives out so-called cost of living raises, the less you make. Even if you move to other positions within the company, most of the time, you won't get the salary that someone off the street will get.
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Captain Caveman
@rr.com | reply to footballdude
With inflation, it's more like a cut in pay. I guess you would've given a nice 2% raise. With that I'd be waiting longer for FIOS |
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
·Cox HSI
·Verizon FIOS
·Cox VOIP
·ViaTalk
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·MegaPath
·Verizon west (ex G..
·Time Warner VOIP
1 edit | reply to aaronwt
But healthcare is increasing at insane rates. I have a small business with 15 employees and my Healthnet premium jumped 50% last year alone.
10.5% plus maintaining healthcare works out to a heathy raise. If the workers had to buy their own healthcare, it would decimate them. I think the CWA deserved more but don't dismiss what they did negotiate. These unseen costs like healthcare would shock you. |
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
| reply to aaronwt
quote:
That's 10.5% over 3 years. Not very much. Only 3.5% a year.
The inflation rate is higher than that.
Exactly right.. our previous contract was a 5 year contract, 2% a year ! So many people on this site was against the worker, its so sad. We, THE UNION, THE WORKERS, only wanted a fair share.
Call us greedy... ha.. people like HOTBOI and SUPERGIRL should be spanked. Ah hell, let'm spank each other, but please dont multiply. |
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icp1
Premium
join:2000-10-13
Saint Louis, MO
clubs:
·AT&T DSL Service
| health care
Fully paid health care, including retirees through 2011?
That's a good deal in this market. Forget 3% raises, it's the health care that was the deal maker. Most companies are making their employees pay 10,20,50% now, which is way more than 3% of pay... |
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jwersan
R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, and Max.
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join:2004-12-20
Port Jefferson Station, NY
clubs:
·Optimum Online
| OK, let see, worker pays health-care premiums, even part of them, EXPENSE, non-deductible.
Company pays for employee health-care, expense, DEDUCTIBLE. Hmmmm.... 
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SteveCon
IBEW 2222 Boston, MA
Premium
join:2004-09-02
Burlington, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to battleop
Re: That's not my job. - CWA Motto
You know, it's whiners like you that tic me off. You and those like you can *always* do it better, faster, cheaper, blah, blah, blah - the list goes on and on. You're quick to point a finger at "union rules" when "X" doesn't happen to your liking.
They're WORK rules. They are the result of NEGOTIATING company and union desires. In the end, EVERYONE got enough of what they wanted to come to an agreement. What is so terrible about that? Do you prefer to be treated like some mindless drone? Do you trust management emphatically with your health & safety (that worked so well in the past that OSHA and the Department of Labor were created and still exist today - ever wonder why)?. Does management put your ability to provide for your family ahead of its profits and stock price?
Do you actually know what the problem of bringing that cable to the colo was - or are you just union bashing for the hell of it? Maybe you're jealous because these guys have better benes and make more than you? Maybe you have been working 45+ hours a week or Saturdays lately for your regular 40 hour pay - and seeing a work crew sent home by VZ because they didn't want to pay OT rates, angered you. You chose an "exempt" position - we however, did NOT. Do you see me complaining about YOUR employment package?
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. You didn't see those guys when the job they had was to replace cables and poles damaged by natural disaster or accident in blistering heat, freezing cold, over night, etc. You see, the climate controlled data center work doesn't happen everyday for these guys - unlike it does for *YOU* |
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PoloDude
Premium,VIP
join:2006-03-29
East Northport, NY | reply to fatmanskinny
Re: Here's what ended the strike....
Verizon employees do not get free service. They only get a discount on the phone portion of the bill. |
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
2 edits | reply to icp1
Re: health care
Yea well, cost of healthcare for corporations is of no concern of mine. Thanks to being a union member anyway. Aside from that, getting a semi-decent wage increase will help me KEEP UP with my current bills.. like paying $800 a month in gasoline.... & an obscene amount to heat my house this year.
Maybe you should stop being concerned with us getting free healthcare... and be more concerned with the root of the problem. THE COST OF THE HEALTHCARE itself. Write your politicians and have them figure out a way fix this problem.
If you people have a problem with us getting free healthcare and decent wages, dont let it be a problem... QUIT YOUR JOB and fill out applications for a union represented job ! OR FEEL FREE TO ORGANIZE ONE IN YOUR WORKPLACE !!  |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to aaronwt
Re: they caved
said by aaronwt :said by footballdude :Ten percent raise and fully paid health care. Verizon folded like a house of cards. That's 10.5% over 3 years. Not very much. Only 3.5% a year. The inflation rate is higher than that. And the union sold out new employees as I said they would( »And here is the company's leverage ):
»www.newsday.com/services/newspap···50.story
But workers hired after Aug. 2 will be required to contribute to their retirement health care, and the amount of Verizon's contributions will be subject to future contract negotiations.
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Pale_Rider
join:2004-10-18
Richmond Hill, NY
| reply to ITALIAN926
Re: health care
said by ITALIAN926 :OR FEEL FREE TO ORGANIZE ONE IN YOUR WORKPLACE !! The whiners will never do that, an organizing drive is too much work.Easier for them to throw stones at those of us that are represented and what our negotiators secure for us. |
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fatmanskinny
Premium
join:2004-01-04
Wandering
·Comcast Digital Vo..
·Comcast
| reply to PoloDude
Re: Here's what ended the strike....
I was deinifely joking about that. I highly doubt Verizon would ever give free service to anyone besides those high up in the executive suite.
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PoloDude
Premium,VIP
join:2006-03-29
East Northport, NY | reply to ITALIAN926
Re: health care
As much as you would like it, There is no such thing as "Free" healthcare.
And I for one never wan't any government running my healthcare. |
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT | Free in regard to contributing to the premium of the insurance.. everyone has co-pays for visits and prescriptions. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: they caved
Nothing wrong with that. It protects existing workers, while helping to offset costs in the future. It's a win for both sides in some sense, and a loss in others. You can't always have your cake and ice cream too. Companies have bottom lines, stock holders, and profit margins. A company has to balance this out with what they pay and contribute to workers. As let's face it, hard numbers aren't profits. If your company takes in X number (lets give an example 8 billion. 5 or 6 of that might be operating costs. Such costs might include worker pay, benefits, network upgrades, future build out, profits to stock holders, etc etc. So the company then is left with their profit margin of 2-3 billion in this example (not a real number) to play with. As we know, profits can go either way. Companies HAVE to put some aside for rainy days, in case fortunes turn. It's only common sense. This coming from someone who is extremely pro union. More or less its a negotiation and balancing act for both sides and costs. |
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