baineschile
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Sterling Heights, MI | Strike
As long as the strike is running over the fiber optic lines, it should be over very quick. |
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supergirl
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| said by baineschile  :As long as the strike is running over the fiber optic lines, it should be over very quick. If the union strikes, I'll be shocked. They only way unions really make a point is if the strike and it hurts the company. However, if it really hurts too much, like GM, you might have just unemployed yourself.
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD |  Root For The Winning Team!
GO SCABS! |
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Rick
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if I were them.
In this economy Verizon could probably easily fill those jobs.
Or..perhaps the workers haven't been reading the news?
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
| sigh
Bla Bla Bla, here we go everyone anti-union as if the workers of CWA are RICH. Newsflash people ... the only RICH people are the ones fighting to destroy the union on the management side.
CWA & IBEW workers will always be middle class. Go pick on the unions for the major league sports teams.. then I'll get on your side... not for people making less than 100K a year. |
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT | reply to Rick
Re: I wouldn't be in a hurry to strike
You are such a 'tard Rick.. easily filling those shoes as if they arent skilled workers !?? LOL not even their management teams could do the work LOLOL.
Come on man, respond with 50 sentences broken into 50 paragraphs. |
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pnh102
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Re: sigh
said by ITALIAN926 :CWA & IBEW workers will always be middle class. That's a pretty damning indictment of these unions. Why can't they do better for their workers?
said by ITALIAN926 : Go pick on the unions for the major league sports teams.. then I'll get on your side... not for people making less than 100K a year. Maybe the Verizon workers should vote to decertify the currently ineffective unions representing them and become represented by the unions that are able to score professional athletes these big salaries.
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
| Unionized jobs like teachers , cops, firemen and construction workers will always be middle class... most people are middle class... get it? like average?? and if it wasnt for these unions, they wouldnt have the wages and benefits they have!
Your responses were completely ignorant. |
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notretarded
@rcn.com
| again, everyone is on the side of the company. these companies will fire everyone if they add just one dollar to the bottom line.
dont let anyone fool you, verizon is not poor and its executives making tens of millions a year arent either...
and do not tell me this is "the real world" or "how it is these days" because that is baloney. that is how the corporations brainwash us.
boo hoo hoo poor ivan seidenberg on made 80+ million in the last three years |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | reply to baineschile
Re: Strike
You know it's not actually a series of tubes, right? |
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telcolackey
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join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
| Benefits and Abuses
Unions do benefit and protect their members, but they have received a bad rep due to the level of protection and benefits that they have abused.
•The "requirement" for police details where they are really not needed. Salaries of 60K, but income of 130K due to details.
•Retirement plans that no non-union employee could ever get
•Bad teachers that cannot be let go and coast through their remaining years (at the expense of children).
•Requirement to join unions
•Anyone that is familiar with work in union locations that take twice as long and cost three times as much as non-union. No quality element here.
If unions addressed the internal abuse they probably would have a better rep with the general public (not sure they really care)
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | well said. |
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hottboiinnc
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| Lock Out Time!
Time for VZ to start announcing they'll be hiring, and a series of ads saying how great the company is and how well they treat their employees that are suppose to take a "3hour lunch according to own union employee on this site" and then lock them all out. |
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hayabusa3303
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| Unions.
Only problem with them and i have seen it. They go on strike and next thing the people know they all are fired and have been replaced.
On the flip side i have seen one strike, and the company went to Mexico. Great American thinking there give more jobs across the border.
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JustTheFactsMam
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Re: Strike
said by supergirl : However, if it really hurts too much, like GM, you might have just unemployed yourself. IMO, poor quality killed the once 'Big 3'. You really can't blame the unions for having to overhaul a poorly designed motor/transmission at 50,000 mile intervals. |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: sigh
said by ITALIAN926 :Bla Bla Bla, here we go everyone anti-union as if the workers of CWA are RICH. Newsflash people ... the only RICH people are the ones fighting to destroy the union on the management side. Unions have 1 really big problem - they go out of their way to protect the worst workers and keep them from getting fired. If they stuck to pay scales, benefits, layoffs, outsourcing, etc they would get more sympathy from the average person.
And as far as employers are concerned they also create work rules that prevent workers from being used where they are most needed and doing more than some narrowly defined job classification. And that takes away a company's flexibility to deal with quickly changing circumstances. And that is why companies have a problem with many unions.
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pnh102
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said by ITALIAN926 :and if it wasnt for these unions, they wouldnt have the wages and benefits they have! So in other words, they are incapable of getting these wages and benefits on their own. Wouldn't another way of looking at this be that Verizon has looked down upon these people and given them wages and benefits that they obviously cannot get on their own? And they have the nerve to strike?
As another poster pointed out, there have been plenty of unionized companies that have gone to great lengths to rid themselves of unions and the problems they cause. I am sure many of these former employees thought they were special and indispensable as well.
No one working anywhere is indispensable. Anyone can be replaced. The cost of doing this replacement might be high initially, but considering that only about 12% of all workers are now unionized (down from 20% in 1983), more and more employers seem to be willing to eat the cost.
»www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm
said by ITALIAN926 : Your responses were completely ignorant. If I ever have to submit to a union, I would only want the best union possible. As you have shown, the CWA and IBEW can only deliver a middle class lifestyle to their followers. The MLBPA and NBAPA can do so much more.
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BrooklynTech
join:2008-01-14
Brooklyn, NY
| union bashers
I think many of the anti union posts here by people
1 that are jealous
2 that have to pay for their own benefits.
3 that make salary and don't get compensated for OT.
4 that like being treated like modern day slaves.
5 that work to many hours to see their families.
6 that spend most of their days under their bosses desk
"earning" their pay.
Just figure I'd stir the pot the other way for once. |
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MadMANN
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join:2005-08-19
·Comcast
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Re: I wouldn't be in a hurry to strike
said by ITALIAN926 :You are such a 'tard Rick.. easily filling those shoes as if they arent skilled workers !?? LOL not even their management teams could do the work LOLOL. Come on man, respond with 50 sentences broken into 50 paragraphs. There are plenty of skilled workers that are non-union that could fill these jobs. There are telecom contractors out there that can have many of the installer positions filled pretty quickly. It would take longer for the cable-splicers and other network positions, but it can be done.
When they went on strike in 2000, Verizon had trouble keeping up with their outsourced field work. Service calls were kept up, but installs were slow to schedule. The difference between then and now is that they were a lot more in demand with their copper plant than they are today. With them losing as many POTS customers as they are now, this strike could be a major mistake.
On a side note, one thing I have noticed about many of your posts is that you can't seem to refrain from stooping to name-calling. Why can't you have a discussion and disagree with someone respectfully? Rick has his opinion and you have yours. No biggie. I have said before: Anger Mangement, bro. |
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xrandom
You
join:2001-02-21
MA | fair for both sides
I hope this comes to a fair conclusion for both sides.....
(my FIOS install is on Monday!) |
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