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4 edits | Re: Such CRAP! said by jt6 :
every company uses some kind of network management system.
Yes...
Because every company wants CONTROL! AGAIN I SAY..this has NOTHING to do with bandwidth-it's about CONTROL!
These companies provide CABLE TV SERVICE! That's their MAIN
business. They want to make money off EVERY VIDEO SERVICE ON THEIR SYSTEM! They CAN'T make any money off IP based Internet video unless they can CONTROL your access to it.
p2p gave them the EXCUSE they needed to DO THIS! But WAIT-NOW (as predicted by about 3/4 of the people here) IP based VIDEO has overtaken p2p as using the most bandwidth. NOW they install protocol agnostic limiting which DOES give them the control.
Those of you who continue to beat the p2p drum are PLAYING INTO THEIR HANDS! AGAIN I say: This is NOT about p2p!!
It is about CONTROLLING (and charging you for) ALL THE VIDEO YOU WATCH-INCLUDING IP based video from the Internet! | |
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| Re: Such CRAP! said by qworster :said by jt6 :
every company uses some kind of network management system.
Yes... Because every company wants CONTROL! AGAIN I SAY..this has NOTHING to do with bandwidth-it's about CONTROL! These companies provide CABLE TV SERVICE! That's their MAIN business. They want to make money off EVERY VIDEO SERVICE ON THEIR SYSTEM! They CAN'T make any money off IP based Internet video unless they can CONTROL your access to it. p2p gave them the EXCUSE they needed to DO THIS! But WAIT-NOW (as predicted by about 3/4 of the people here) IP based VIDEO has overtaken p2p as using the most bandwidth. NOW they install protocol agnostic limiting which DOES give them the control. Those of you who continue to beat the p2p drum are PLAYING INTO THEIR HANDS! AGAIN I say: This is NOT about p2p!!It is about CONTROLLING (and charging you for) ALL THE VIDEO YOU WATCH-INCLUDING IP based video from the Internet! Your OPINION - not proof. Unless you can provide some secret Comcast documents laying out this purported motive.
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| Re: Such CRAP! Tk,
what proof do you need? If yesterday they say p2p is down and "legal" video stream is way up to the point that overtakes p2p then their problems is not p2p traffic anymore. Is normal users accessing more video, news, and information via the net.
For example, if I barley watch any tv... i could cancel all my cable services and get all the news, broadcast tv and some other series via the internet for FREE when ever i want. That cuts directly into their revenue. What they do... they want to place limits on what you can access even legally to force you to pay more for a service (TV) that you can get for free or relatively lower cost over the net. | |
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| Re: Such CRAP! said by needproof :
Tk,
what proof do you need? If yesterday they say p2p is down and "legal" video stream is way up to the point that overtakes p2p then their problems is not p2p traffic anymore. Is normal users accessing more video, news, and information via the net.
For example, if I barley watch any tv... i could cancel all my cable services and get all the news, broadcast tv and some other series via the internet for FREE when ever i want. That cuts directly into their revenue. What they do... they want to place limits on what you can access even legally to force you to pay more for a service (TV) that you can get for free or relatively lower cost over the net.
TV service SUBSIDIZES their internet costs. If video viewing is all by internet only, then costs will go up for internet - DUH!!! There is no free ride.
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every company uses some kind of network management system.
Bingo.. it's all about trying to cram as much as they can in what they have to appease investors/profit. Before any of jump on CC's back and bitch all the way to your desktop, find out who the investor are and go knocking on their doors instead. Otherwise, stop your crying or go find another hobby. That's all they understand is the bottom dollar. Time to get back to the great outdoors leaving the cell and computer at home, turned off. Try go renting a movie for once instead of downloading it. There is a world outside of our PC's.. time to rediscover it. JMO.. fire away!  | |
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| Re: P2P's free ride is almost over said by ninjatutle :And people are shocked? cripes! here we go agian 
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1 edit | Re: P2P's free ride is almost over Yep, look at what P2P has done. Everyone fighting each other on this board and talkage of capage. Anarchy on the net, thats what it is. Everyone is going to suffer.
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| Re: P2P's free ride is almost over said by ninjatutle :Yep, look at what P2P has done. Everyone fighting each other on this board and talkage of capage. Anarchy on the net, thats what it is. Its only going to get worst. How come you cant answer my post?
»Re: This is alarming
Hypocrite much?
Do as i say, not as I do?
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| Re: P2P's free ride is almost over said by ninjatutle :Relax man. I don't watch the Simpsons. Go fish somewhere else.... that's what i thought.
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Long Beach, CA | Re: P2P's free ride is almost over LOL,
Again, you fail to answer a simple question. U must be guilty of being a pirate. | |
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| Re: P2P's free ride is almost over This is the song that never ends,
As it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue singing it forever just because ->
This is the song that never ends,
As it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was,
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| Re: throttling and a 250GB cap with overage fees pick one OVerages are just a money grab not anything that is real. They can offer unlimited download for $50. But why do that when they can have you pay $50 and then any amount of downloading is also extra charges.
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Manassas, VA | So... I Just downgraded to the lowest level of service.
From $52.95 to $24.95.
Take that, Comcast. | |
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San Ramon, CA | Re: So... They still win, you don't.
You are still paying them for services. They are still taking in $24.95 + taxes, fee, surcharges, etc of your moola. | |
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| Re: So... said by baineschile :Comcast does not tax or fee internet services. Don't make such blanket statements. They may not in Michigan, or they may not in YOUR franchise area, however, in some - most certainly they tax the service and even collect franchise fees. Some areas, however, do not. | |
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1 edit | said by fiberguy :said by baineschile :Comcast does not tax or fee internet services. Don't make such blanket statements. They may not in Michigan, or they may not in YOUR franchise area, however, in some - most certainly they tax the service and even collect franchise fees. Some areas, however, do not. Hmmm... I suppose it's possible that Comcast is charging taxes and fees in some areas, but it's against federal law to do so.
said by FCC, in a declaratory ruling :
Regarding franchise fees, the FCC notes that the law limits franchise fees to 5 percent of the gross revenues the cable operator receives from cable service. The FCC said that revenues from cable modem service should not be used in computing this franchise fee ceiling.
-FCC CLASSIFIES CABLE MODEM SERVICE AS "INFORMATION SERVICE"
»www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Cable/News_R···201.html
(the FCC classification was upheld by the US Supreme Court: »a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422···-277.pdf )
said by GAO :
Internet Access Services, Including Bundled Broadband Services, May Not Be Taxed
-GAO Report to Congressional Committees
January 2006
INTERNET ACCESS TAX MORATORIUM
»www.gao.gov/new.items/d06273.pdf
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San Ramon, CA | Re: So... Dude, its still better than getting $00.00 from him. Profits are still being had. Come December, the rates are going to be raised for cable tv as they do each xmas. Their projections will be met.
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1 edit | "protocol agnostic"? Does that means no port based QoS? Because port based would be even worse than just targeting bittorrent.
And if it is not port based, what is left for them to base their "network management" on?
Limit number of connections?
Cap long sustained transfers?
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| This is a Good Thing This is exactly what I was hoping that Comcast would do in order to help provide better quality service. There are definitely congestion issues at times, and this plan will keep the heaviest users at bay so the rest of us can expect decent performance around the clock.
Provided that Comcast actually holds true to their word and provides all of the details, this should be implemented on any similarly structured network. If the pipes are clogged, slow the big offenders down until things clear up. They are not completely killing the connection or sending fake packets, just throttling back "speeds" a bit.
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| Re: see ya comcast!! said by K3 :thats ok comcast, I got Uverse coming to hook me up in a couple days, lower speed by a touch but no caps, not yet at least You do remember who started the whole caps discussion don't you? I do believe it was AT&T. And, you do remember who was talking about turning on a meter, period, don't you? I do believe it was AT&T.
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| Re: see ya comcast!! said by fiberguy :You do remember who started the whole caps discussion don't you? I do believe it was AT&T. And, you do remember who was talking about turning on a meter, period, don't you? I do believe it was AT&T. Very good points, and don't forget
»AT&T Piracy Filters Tread Dangerous Ground
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»AT&T Bans 3G P2P Users, But Hasn't Booted Any Yet
Both examples of stuff AT&T says but ultimately doesn't do. (And I haven't quite figured out why they do things this way.)
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| Re: see ya comcast!! said by fiberguy :Its so they can reserve the right to. Either that, or they're "trial balloons."
The 250GB Cap thing that Comcast floated is a trial balloon.
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1 edit | What gives...? Karl, is this your blog now? is this opinion? or are you pushing "news".. I recall the submission link says "submit news".. not opinion.
So when you come off with your cute descriptions such as "Comcast had been testing their shiny new throttling system" to describe something, you're putting in WAY too much opinion to influence the conversation.
State the facts and let the people decide. After all, I think there are enough people here to do that for you. The more you interject your silly descriptions, the more transparent you become and the less you become a source of news.
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| Commucast I have Comcast and download videos All THE TIME FROM ITUNES THAT I PAY FOR. The whole reason you don't want caps is that applications will be written for the higher speed. I also play online games. If you like caps go back to 28.8 or 56k and you will never need worry. When fios comes out I am gone. I get all three tier service from them but just wait till I leave em. Again if they do this I am gone and trust me I pay em serious money every month............ | |
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Sterling Heights, MI | Re: Commucast Do you download in excess of 250gigs a month?
At thats 2500 songs every month; at an average of 4 minutes per song, that is 100,00 minutes of music per month.
In a 30 day month, there are only 43,200 minutes. | |
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| Re: Commucast Why do you think ISDN never took off in the states?. BECAUSE THEY METERED IT. Why do you think AOL kicked compuserve and prodigies rear? Because they came closer to not metering their service. It's a simple age old concept. Metering kills your market and will kill off innovation. If I were doing what you suggest then I would still be paying $8.00 - $14.00 HOUR PLUS LONG DISTANCE fees and be told to be happy with BBS software. When new applications are stuck with 250 GB cap that is 1 hard drive. 1 Hard drive for 1 month and that is greedy????? Innovation will come about on the web as application are no longer always resident on your PC. If you watch FMV such as international TV that is broadcast on a semi HD format 250 GB is nada. | |
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| Re: 250 GB cap huh said by Xizer :Hmm... have fun paying $50 a month for $5 worth of service, Comcast users. That's how much Comcast will be paying for you to use your allotted bandwidth cap. To be fair, the regular overhead is likely WAY more than $5 per month. (I'd be making a rough guess that it's something near $25-$35 depending on usage) But charging $1.50/GB over the 250GB is extortion, maybe move that decimal over a spot and things would be fair. ($0.15/GB)
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| I don't understand this Here is my 2 cents:
a) I hate Comcast with passion, for past customer "non-service" and crappy HSI
b)although I hate them, I can't wonder myself: why people are complaining and still using their service?
c) if you are so unhappy, is like a divorce: kick the b!@&# out of the house, or leave ! go with other provider
d) no other provider in the area ? - then tough, is your best alternative to none
e) don't like alternative (d) ? get yourself a T1
Basically, is their network, and they can do with it pretty much what they want...your only say is when you vote with your money !
Is like RIAA/MPAA - stop feeding them with your money. I did - and I am Comcast free now.
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| Re: I don't understand this Yes!
Exactly!
But, some people live to bitch, period!
Either - "It's a monopoly!" or "The DSL is too slow!" or "No other ISP is viable!"(whatever that means).
I like my Comcast service.
Since BT was trashed and no longer a safe/usable means to get some "items", I have relegated it to entertainment usage - ALL PERFECTLY LEGAL!
Membership at a certain rental site(s) gets me what I want from either DDL or dedicated servers.
P2P and BT use(for many of us) is legal, but I am teh devil/scourge/thief... of legal material?
Yeah... ya know?
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| Re: I don't understand this said by dadkins :Yes! Exactly! But, some people live to bitch, period! Either - "It's a monopoly!" or "The DSL is too slow!" or "No other ISP is viable!"(whatever that means). I like my Comcast service. Since BT was trashed and no longer a safe/usable means to get some "items", I have relegated it to entertainment usage - ALL PERFECTLY LEGAL! Well dadkins, I don't think you have ever said a word against CC. But I do seem to recall you having a 16 megabit connection with CC. I think even you will see that supporting CC today will look mighty stupid later. With your 16 megabit connection you will have plenty of opportunity (legally) to run in to all kinds of roadblocks in CC's near future with all the network throttles AND meters about to kick in. Whats really interesting is to read how people like yourself can support a company that boldly LIED about using sandvine software on the P2P 24/7. Even after they were caught they still denied it and they still have not apologized for that. Morally and ethically these guys are evil. Sure I can see people like yourself supporting CC if they were up front about Sandvine etc.. but they weren't. CC saw themselves above the law and now they are under the fire from the FCC. It troubles me that people support and say good things about CC. CC will take and control as much as they can. If ever a company should be regulated with a tight leash its CC. It should never be up to corporations to define what the internet experience should be. I'm just hoping that my Qwest DSL remains open. If so, I'm sure they will grab huge amounts of market share from CC here in Albuquerque. CC may be making a huge mistake thinking its DSL competitors will follow suite with meters and throttles. They may be waiting to overtake their market.  | |
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oh yea thats right its only about punishing people that
DONT GIVE MAXIMUM PROFIT MARGINS.
if they cared about quality of the network and the people who clogged them, then they would give you a discount for not clogging them
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| Re: SO where are my under usage discounts? said by P Ness :so if they put a value on over using the service what if you use substancially less then the average customer? oh yea thats right its only about punishing people that DONT GIVE MAXIMUM PROFIT MARGINS. if they cared about quality of the network and the people who clogged them, then they would give you a discount for not clogging them Yeah! No shit!
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| 250gb cap plus overage fees.... seems very fair to me. Not sure what overage fees amount to but I have never in my life even come close to using that kind of bandwidth. My cable company caps me at 50gb. I can only recall 2 months where I've gone over 15. And I host 35 e-mail accounts and 2 web sites.
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| Re: 250gb cap plus overage fees.... If your within the 250 your in compliance with their policy. Every providers has FAP's. There is nothing wrong with paying for what you use. All goods and services are billed this way.
I still believe 250gb is plenty for any user. And what they use over that they will be charged accordingly.
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Which is a big win. Because it means that they will either be throttling ALL people. Or stop throttling entirely. They obviously wont be ending their throttling but soon as they start throttling even port 80 applications... just about everyone using their product will be pissed off real quick. Looking to drop their service for internet service which isnt throttled. The free market will provide this product and comcast will start losing loads of money.
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