CanadianIron
join:2006-10-08
Beverly Hills, CA | cope vs sabia
Meet the new boss; same as the old boss... |
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Rastan
join:2007-04-25
Canada
 ·VBUZZER
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
| They're Improving Their Service by Destroying Competition
Instead of attracting new customers by improving their network, Bell prefers to persuade their customers to not switch over to a wholesaler by attacking their competition.
The only innovation that's come from Bell is improved tactics to screw us over. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| Exactly... innovative ways to double dip, and make higher profits at the expense of the consumer.
Charging for the line, then consumption on top of that sounds more like old frame relay style billing.
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | Details...
Looking forward to the details at the end of the month!
Should be interesting....
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MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
Premium
join:2005-03-14
League City, TX
clubs: | Sue? I don't know what else there is to do. |
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
·Velcom
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Radioactif
·Videotron
·Look Communications
|  The moment of truth approaches
This is it. We will finally find out if there is ANY common sense left on the CRTC board. If this plan gets approved by the CRTC, we truly are a country ruled by corporations. Might as well just join the US and get over with !! 
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to MysticGogeta
Re: Details...
said by MysticGogeta  :Sue? I don't know what else there is to do. I never thought I'd say this but Rocky, sue them and get every penny you can. Someone has to teach them a lesson.
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
1 edit | reply to MysticGogeta
and what let Bell win at the end because their pockets are basically unlimited compared to the ISPs?
Bell could drag it on and on and just put the ISPs out of business before any court could give an answer. Legal fees for ISPs aren't free. Bell's would be pretty well free sicne they're lawyers would be on staff.
I'm doubt TeckSavvy has a team of lawyers to sit around in their office for $50,000 plus for nothing when not needed except for answering the phones for tech support? seems like a high price to me that would be a waste.
Rocky's pockets are not unlimited like Bell's he wouldn't get much but a high ass legal bill. |
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tad2020
join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA | reply to en102
Re: They're Improving Their Service by Destroying Competition
At least you guys have (had) competition, here in the US it was killed by the bells back in the paleozoic era. |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
·voip.ms
·Vitelity VOIP
·Callcentric
·VoiceStick
·ViaTalk
·Comcast
·Embarq
| reply to R0CKY
Re: Details...
said by R0CKY :Looking forward to the details at the end of the month! You're paying for port & commit on your upstream transit circuits -- what makes using the same approach on your transport links to the DSLAMs so evil? |
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MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
Premium
join:2005-03-14
League City, TX
clubs:
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to hottboiinnc
Well what else is there left to do sit around and let them screw them out of any profits and crush the company? He will be faced with either raising prices or laying off workers or perhaps both.
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twizlar
I dont think so.
Premium
join:2003-12-24
Brantford, ON | reply to espaeth
By the Byte billing != 95th percentile or flatrate billing. which is how 99% of the ISP's pay for bandwidth.
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| reply to MysticGogeta
said by MysticGogeta :Well what else is there left to do sit around and let them screw them out of any profits and crush the company? He will be faced with either raising prices or laying off workers or perhaps both. the unfortunate thing is it's irrelevant if TSI survives through this right now... What is very relevant is how our worlds, techie or not, are about to get very impacted financially.
People need communication, hydro, gas, etc., services just as much as they need to air and water right now, so all those who control these mechanisms are in a powerful situation. This is why I, and others, went to Parliament Hill recently as we're fighting about something much bigger than all of us in the end..... The major difference with Bell/Rogers in this case is not only are they influencing our "internet air" but they also have the capability of impacting what we think and do, being tied so closely to the media and content.
Net Neutrality principals and concerns are far reaching as Corporate Greed has a very really opportunity to turn us all into virtual lab rats..... (booooo!) 
Rocky
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to MysticGogeta
build out his own network? maybe wireless?
just because wholesaling is required in Canada does not mean you can make a business off it for such as long time. Someone is going to get tired of it and put a stop to it, and Bell is doing just that.
They should end their agreement with Bell but before start building out a wireless network. get apartment/condo complexes into turning their property into a "smart" property and doing DSL over his own dslam at the locations.
They're are many things he can do instead of sitting there or fighting with Bell in court. And if he doesnt fight back by offering his own product without them well then if he goes out of business, lays people off (firing them) or raising rates then i see that it would be his fault then. |
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lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA
| reply to adisor19
Re: The moment of truth approaches
Corporations are taking over major governments all over the world. Corruption is the order of the day, and a vast majority of the populous are totally oblivious sheep.
Welcome to our current world. Please bend over for the fascist regime at your earliest convenience, and pray you get the courtesy of lube. |
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lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA
| reply to hottboiinnc
Re: Details...
said by hottboiinnc :They're are many things he can do instead of sitting there or fighting with Bell in court. And if he doesnt fight back by offering his own product without them well then if he goes out of business, lays people off (firing them) or raising rates then i see that it would be his fault then. Hey, if you have ~$5,000,000 USD laying around, why not give it to him so he can start on that network, eh?
Building a new network is one of the major barriers to entry in the ISP market, which is why Canada required wholesaling (peeps in the US don't get this luxury). And that's just one of them. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to R0CKY
ISPs there need to do what they do here; Build out their own networks.
Just because its legal for you to use their networks you shouldnt rely on them for your business. Start building out yours and show them up.
Why cry about it? when they go and do the usage based system what are you going to do? cry about that too?
You're a business looking to make profit. They're a business looking to make profit. And Bell owns one thing you both want. The wiring between the CO and the customers homes and businesses. Stop using the wire.
It has been showen here the ILECs will crush you no matter how they spin it. Next they'll drop their price rates and go after you that way.
and hydro and gas are not communication needs. Actually people lived before they were even around.
Also Net Neutrality was never about keeping the networks so they'd be wholesaled. They were about making content on them equal. You are crying about something that does not even fit the def. about what it was meant to be.
Start being a company and build out your own network or just get out of the way. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
1 edit | reply to lordofwhee
Wireless. You don't need that much to build out a wireless network.
Besides his business plan should have had this in it. If you can't compete get the hell out of the market.
yah i was raised in retail and work it. I believe in that saying. I worked for the 2nd largest home improvement company in the world and work for the largest. They all live by it. Be the biggest and the best you can at the cost of everyone else. If you can be bigger and better do it. Don't it back and watch and wine and cry about it. You're taught to get off your ass and keep your customer base.
and not be like WM and cry about shit and get laws passed to protect you. |
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ShadPTR
join:2008-01-23
Markham, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to adisor19
Re: The moment of truth approaches
I second that. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| reply to hottboiinnc
Re: Details...
said by hottboiinnc :ISPs there need to do what they do here; Build out their own networks. Just because its legal for you to use their networks you shouldnt rely on them for your business. Start building out yours and show them up. Why cry about it? when they go and do the usage based system what are you going to do? cry about that too? You're a business looking to make profit. They're a business looking to make profit. And Bell owns one thing you both want. The wiring between the CO and the customers homes and businesses. Stop using the wire. It has been showen here the ILECs will crush you no matter how they spin it. Next they'll drop their price rates and go after you that way. and hydro and gas are not communication needs. Actually people lived before they were even around. Also Net Neutrality was never about keeping the networks so they'd be wholesaled. They were about making content on them equal. You are crying about something that does not even fit the def. about what it was meant to be. Start being a company and build out your own network or just get out of the way. Huh? The Canadian market isn't at all like the US guys.... In Bell Territory (and I say Bell Territory for a good reason), we have no choice but to use them in the ground, so even using our own equipment as you say, we'd still have to go through them to finish the job. This is why it's called a monopoly.
I never said hydro and gas were communication needs.
In any case, we have a standardized structure in Canada that allows a standard network format (one good part from the Government), but what we don't have is a standard agreement on how we all play together to make this work.
Lastly, it's not Bell's network technically as they've been given rights to a space with the condition they shared it. If they no longer wish to honour their monopoly responsibilities, then lets have it taken away and auction/sell the rights to someone who wants to take the responsibility for it.
Rocky
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