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Waterloo, IA | 681GB, Oh, The Horror! Idiots.
One day they'll wake up and realize 681GB isn't all that much data. We're in a yottabyte age now.
Charge more, whatever, and shut up about it. Quit talking caps and throttles and deep packet sniffers. | |
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| Re: 681GB, Oh, The Horror! said by pabster  :Idiots. One day they'll wake up and realize 681GB isn't all that much data. We're in a yottabyte age now. Charge more, whatever, and shut up about it. Quit talking caps and throttles and deep packet sniffers. Are you kidding me? You have GOT to be trolling! 681GB upstream is completely unreasonable.
I think you're more pissed off that they inadvertently let slip that they KNEW he was downloading movies. That's the more telling part of the quote. | |
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| Re: 681GB, Oh, The Horror! said by Matt :said by pabster :Idiots. One day they'll wake up and realize 681GB isn't all that much data. We're in a yottabyte age now. Charge more, whatever, and shut up about it. Quit talking caps and throttles and deep packet sniffers. Are you kidding me? You have GOT to be trolling! 681GB upstream is completely unreasonable. not for the japanese it aint 
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That customer wouldn't have violated the latest caps being implemented in Japan this week where 100Mbps fiber deployment is more commonplace.
Those caps are equal to 3% of a user's upload 24/7. In Comcast's area, that would be 324 MB a day (for 6/1 service), or 9.7 GB a month. Those caps are much, much lower for the service offered than Comcast's rumored 250 GB cap or the actual 400+ GB cap they currently use to remove excessive users from their network today.
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| Re: 681GB, Oh, The Horror! said by Cabal : quote:
That customer wouldn't have violated the latest caps being implemented in Japan this week where 100Mbps fiber deployment is more commonplace.
Those caps are equal to 3% of a user's upload 24/7. In Comcast's area, that would be 324 MB a day (for 6/1 service), or 9.7 GB a month. Those caps are much, much lower for the service offered than Comcast's rumored 250 GB cap or the actual 400+ GB cap they currently use to remove excessive users from their network today. Well, the Japanese cap is ONLY on the upload, the download is unlimited. The Comcast cap is combined. So the math is a bit harder to work and not as quite clear. | |
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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Davenport, FL
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| said by Matt :Are you kidding me? You have GOT to be trolling! 681GB upstream is completely unreasonable. The Japanese and Koreans are already in the Terabyte-a-month stage, as well as any foreign country enjoying new developments and more importantly, 100Mbps+ internet connections for less than what Americans pay for not even a tenth of that velocity.
I too find it really blatant of them that they so let slip that they knew that the person was downloading movies. But did these people consider what size movie downloads are? Even a good 720p release on the XBLA for example can be anywhere from 1.8GB to 4GB, depending on the quality of the download. And obviously, BluRay/HD-DVD rips are going to take a lot more if we're talking 1080p w/ H.264. Hell, just the one-hour Top Gear Polar Special for me (1080p H.264 w/ 5.1 dts audio) is a 7.1GB file.
And just like in hard drive space, if you've got the speed for it, you'll find new ways to use it. Can Comcast/Cox/et al really be all surprised people are finding new ways to justify their monthly payment for such internet speeds?
I know that even if I may not ever need it, if I were to own a 200+mph vehicle, I'd certainly be looking toward track day events where I could open up the taps in such a manner. For someone to go from 53.3k at best to having over 200x that speed, you're going to find that you will want to do a lot more things online, and find new uses for such speed. | |
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|  Re: 681GB, Oh, The Horror!
Add in a couple of voice over IP phones, multiple DVR's capable of downloading 320GB of video a piece, then consider routine surfing, multiple on-line console game play, and email then 250GB starts to look like a bit of a limited ceiling.
I hope Comcast doesn't lock 250GB as the ceiling forever. As over time, there will undoubtedly be ever more internet appliances demanding more bandwidth. Currently 3/4 of my bandwidth usage is now related to my newly acquired DVR's and I'm trying to limit use.
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| Re: 681GB, Oh, The Horror! said by andyb :Cox has 2.3mb upload?Wo,I didn't think anyone had that kind of upload in North America(not counting fios) Comcast has the $50 users provisioned at 2200 upstream or about 3000 with PowerBoost. | |
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| I'm a major power user with 4 or 5 PCs running all day, including one for full-time telecommuting and another for part-time telecommuting, and we've only downloaded 80 GB and uploaded 5 GB in the last 5 months. The difference is that we don't steal. | |
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| Re: 681GB, Oh, The Horror! said by Dogfather :Or watch legal movie rentals, legal VOD, buy legal games or any other high bandwidth 100% legal application apparently.
These are all downstream activities ....
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| Re: 681GB, Oh, The Horror! said by NGOwner :said by Dogfather :Or watch legal movie rentals, legal VOD, buy legal games or any other high bandwidth 100% legal application apparently. These are all downstream activities .... [NG]Owner I think people are glossing over the fact this guy UPLOADED 681GB. I can't imagine how much he downloaded, but he's probably that 3 terabyte guy. | |
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| said by quatrix :I'm a major power user with 4 or 5 PCs running all day, including one for full-time telecommuting and another for part-time telecommuting, and we've only downloaded 80 GB and uploaded 5 GB in the last 5 months. The difference is that we don't steal. Have you ever visited an on-line game store? I can download numerous PS3 demo games, many are over 1GB in size. These are just to try out the game. Networked game options, include video conferencing, and in game audio to communicate with your team. These consume bandwidth.
Do you use voice over IP? This consumes much bandwidth, and permits far less expensive long distance than the phone company charges. A couple of SIP voice over IP lines, and you're talking a considerable quantity of bandwidth a month.
How about legal video downloads? This is a fast growing segment of my personal internet usage. Going from 0% to 75% about the day it was discovered. New DirecTV DVR units can download video, in standard definition, or high definition. Time varies from 30 seconds to several hours. I wish they gave file size in gigabytes, but they don't at this time. TIVO, Xbox 360, I-Phone, I-Tunes, Amazon, Blockbuster and other sources permit audio or video content to be legally downloaded and played. Do you use any of these yet?
Each of my DVR's can hold 320GB of video, which is about 200 hours in standard definition and 50-75 hours in high definition. Multiply by several DVR's, and it is easily possible to download a terabyte of data just to fill them. Can an American family watch 200 hours of high definition video a month? That could be 1.2 terabytes of data downloaded. All legal, and legit. Think that is bad, an external terabyte drive can be added to each unit. That is one heck of a lot of potential for legal video download per month, isn't it?
Being a PC power user is not the benchmark by which bandwidth consumption may be measured. I assure you, some of the neat, free, legal high definition Olympic videos you can download from DirecTV take up gobs of bandwidth, but are very nice life enhancing additions to my life.
Should your being a PC power user determine what consumption of bandwidth is reasonable, or should my having DVR's capable of high definition downloads set the mark? Personally, I do not know. However, I do know, that as internet appliances grow in capability and function, bandwidth consumption will increase in ways we cannot imagine today.
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2 edits | Re: 681GB, Oh, The Horror! said by pandora :said by quatrix :I'm a major power user with 4 or 5 PCs running all day, including one for full-time telecommuting and another for part-time telecommuting, and we've only downloaded 80 GB and uploaded 5 GB in the last 5 months. The difference is that we don't steal. Have you ever visited an on-line game store? I can download numerous PS3 demo games, many are over 1GB in size. These are just to try out the game. Networked game options, include video conferencing, and in game audio to communicate with your team. These consume bandwidth. Do you use voice over IP? This consumes much bandwidth, and permits far less expensive long distance than the phone company charges. A couple of SIP voice over IP lines, and you're talking a considerable quantity of bandwidth a month. How about legal video downloads? This is a fast growing segment of my personal internet usage. Going from 0% to 75% about the day it was discovered. New DirecTV DVR units can download video, in standard definition, or high definition. Time varies from 30 seconds to several hours. I wish they gave file size in gigabytes, but they don't at this time. TIVO, Xbox 360, I-Phone, I-Tunes, Amazon, Blockbuster and other sources permit audio or video content to be legally downloaded and played. Do you use any of these yet? Each of my DVR's can hold 320GB of video, which is about 200 hours in standard definition and 50-75 hours in high definition. Multiply by several DVR's, and it is easily possible to download a terabyte of data just to fill them. Can an American family watch 200 hours of high definition video a month? That could be 1.2 terabytes of data downloaded. All legal, and legit. Think that is bad, an external terabyte drive can be added to each unit. That is one heck of a lot of potential for legal video download per month, isn't it? Being a PC power user is not the benchmark by which bandwidth consumption may be measured. I assure you, some of the neat, free, legal high definition Olympic videos you can download from DirecTV take up gobs of bandwidth, but are very nice life enhancing additions to my life. Should your being a PC power user determine what consumption of bandwidth is reasonable, or should my having DVR's capable of high definition downloads set the mark? Personally, I do not know. However, I do know, that as internet appliances grow in capability and function, bandwidth consumption will increase in ways we cannot imagine today. I download HD movies from VUDU, Xbox Live, and FIOS HD VOD(which uses the internet connection). I also download HD trailers and game demos from the PS3 and Xbox Live. I can also download SD movies from my seven HDTiVos.
Just those sources alone account for several hundred Gigabytes of data each month for me. Then you add PC downloads from my 7 PCs and downloads while playing games and my download bandwidth balloons to 1TB and higher. It's very easy to download alot of data.
Then I also upload things to my domains. One domain has unlimited bandwidth and storage, so if I wanted to I could upload to my hearts content for file backups, videos, and pictures.
I started out with high speed internet in 1997 when I had 5mbs down and 1 mbs up. Each year I used more and more bandwidth. Now I have 50mbs down and 20mbs up service. And I plan to use it to the fullest. | |
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3 edits | said by quatrix :I'm a major power user with 4 or 5 PCs running all day, including one for full-time telecommuting and another for part-time telecommuting, and we've only downloaded 80 GB and uploaded 5 GB in the last 5 months. The difference is that we don't steal. That's hardly a power user(not even close). I download many, many times that and ALL my downloads are legal. I pay for all the HD movies I download to watch and I also don't use BitTorrent for anything. Although I guess I would for legal means, but I would need to install it first.
Anyway, anyone that is up to speed with digital downloads in the 21st Century would be using much more than 80GB in 5 months. I've used more than that in a day sometimes, especially on a day when I'm sick and I watch several HD movies from digital downloads from VUDU, Xbox Live, and FIOS HD VOD. And also download new games etc.
Heck just yesterday I downloaded almost 40GB in quicktime movie trailers(I really wanted to make use of my 50/20 connection). I usually download the 1080P version and the 720P version. | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Re: 681GB, Oh, The Horror! What about hosting a website? That would use up upload bandwidth fairly fast, I'd think (Of course, it's probably against the Cox TOS, but that's different than being ILLEGAL) | |
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Columbia, PA | Re: 681GB, Oh, The Horror! They could be true, but it's unlikely and I think everyone here realizes that. But yes, hosting a website is against Comcast's TOS, and I'm sure Cox's as well. | |
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| said by EPS :What about hosting a website? That would use up upload bandwidth fairly fast, I'd think (Of course, it's probably against the Cox TOS, but that's different than being ILLEGAL) If you're hosting a website I suggest getting a BUSINESS account. residential accounts aren't made for that. | |
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| Re: 681GB, Oh, The Horror! said by MRCUR :Of course he is... Linux ISOs are really the only thing I've heard people claim to be using BitTorrent legally for. Game Updates/Patches are also delivered by BitTorrent so Linux ISOs are not the only BT usage that can be considered legal. | |
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join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD
| In addition to commercial software updates, freeware sharing, and game mods, some of us use BT for public domain titles at sites such as these:
»www.moviesfoundonline.com/
»www.publicdomaintorrents.com/
»www.publicdomainflicks.com/
No, I'm not claiming that all (or even a significant portion) of BT traffic is used for such legal uses. In fact, I'm not aware of any unbiased study that can conclusively claim what percentage of ALL BT use consists of what sorts of files (and I'm sorry, but industry-biased screeds are not acceptable. Far too many times they've been caught twisting the data to fit their wants rather than accurately illustrating our needs).
But when you look at the above examples, plus legal music download services, VOD, etc. and it becomes evident that there are many legal and appropriate uses to explain large amounts of traffic, uses that the typical net browser may not be aware of.
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join:2008-02-17
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| Re: 681GB, Oh, The Horror! You make some good points, and I would add.
People might want to ask if this 681GB upload is just what they assume it is a (BT Kiddie) or could there be any chance it could be a retired couple who set up their first router in their apartment complex and the (BT Kiddies) exploited their naivety.
People should remember the easy assumption is often wrong. If it were as what I suggested do any of you think COX would share that detail. I have to wonder what percentage of the top users are being exploited by people in their local community, and their has got to be some. | |
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join:2001-12-09
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| "This dude was UPLOADING 24/7..."
BFD. So do I. I backup roughly 800GB or so to Mozy on a regular basis. Stop it with the "illegal" nonsense that folks are so fast to trot out. There are plenty of legitimate uses for LOTS of upstream bandwidth. I probably did over 1TB upstream in the last month.
If they want to provision and sell service with time-limits...like uploads only during certain hours or other arcane restrictions, fine. Sell it that way and make it clear. Otherwise STFU. I don't pay for my connection a few hours a day, and I'll use it as I see fit. | |
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| said by BF69 : There is nothing legal you can be doing that you have to upload 24/7. 681 GB upload isn't too much? In what world? Fantasyland? LMAO. Oh well then it must be true then if you can't think of anything. | |
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| Re: 681GB, Oh, The Horror! said by SilverSurfer :said by BF69 : There is nothing legal you can be doing that you have to upload 24/7. 681 GB upload isn't too much? In what world? Fantasyland? LMAO. Oh well then it must be true then if you can't think of anything. yep | |
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| said by BF69 :said by pabster :Idiots. One day they'll wake up and realize 681GB isn't all that much data. We're in a yottabyte age now. Charge more, whatever, and shut up about it. Quit talking caps and throttles and deep packet sniffers. This dude was UPLOADING 24/7. Hmmm I wonder what he could have been doing? Oh I know engaging in ILLEGAL activities. There is nothing legal you can be doing that you have to upload 24/7. 681 GB upload isn't too much? In what world? Fantasyland? He could be usng an online backup service. I know I download over 1TB a month and ALL my downloads are legal. If I were to use an online backup system, it would constantly be running to backup the many, many Terabytes of data I have. | |
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| Man your uninformed or lacking web 2.0 experience PERIOD. When I used Vuze I would host my game videos for user's on there to search and use while leaving it on for them to watch. I wouldn't make a dime off it so it's not BUSINESS oriented, but you bet as hell my upload was going at full roar for 2-3 weeks until other's started seeding it for me.
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| said by pabster :Idiots. One day they'll wake up and realize 681GB isn't all that much data. We're in a yottabyte age now. Charge more, whatever, and shut up about it. Quit talking caps and throttles and deep packet sniffers. Assuming a 90 minute movie is 1.5 GB, this guy just sent 454 movies. Now naturally, he's not doing any heavy copyright infringement, so he's probably just sending out 28 days worth of family home movies. Or maybe they're all Linux distros. Per month. 
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| Re: 681GB, Oh, The Horror! said by Dogfather :Come on...681GB on a residential account. It's an insane amount of data. That is more than the Hard drive space i have on my computer.....
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| Re: 681GB, Oh, The Horror! said by Jigsaw :said by Dogfather :Come on...681GB on a residential account. It's an insane amount of data. That is more than the Hard drive space i have on my computer..... I have around 20 Terabytes of storage on my Gigabit Network. | |
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join:2005-05-20 | Well, since you're in Waterloo, IA, I'm sure you can take it up with MediaCrap or who ever your cable operate is down there if they decide to do it.
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Dracut, MA | Re: 2-3 % take up that much capacity? the top 2-3% currently are people that go over the cap, I have never heard of anyone at 50GB in a month being marked as a "high consumer" even if on a lower usage node where the average person is less then 20GB a month | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | It's a percentage. That means capacity is irrelevant. | |
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| Throttling I think throttling heavy users during peak times is a great idea. There is a lot of time during the 24 hour period where there's a lot of idle bandwidth not being used, let the people who download "linux distros" use it at that time. When everyone gets home and begins emailing, youtubing, myspacing, etc then slow those torrent / usenet downloads down.
One thing is for sure, 600GB+ of upload is very excessive for a home user. If they're going to use that much, they should pay for a business class account.
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join:2007-10-21
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| Re: Throttling said by texans20 :One thing is for sure, 600GB+ of upload is very excessive for a home user. If they're going to use that much, they should pay for a business class account. I would get a $200/month line gladly if it meant I could actually USE the bandwidth advertised as being sold to me, instead of "well, you're only supposed to be using this connection for about three hours a day, and then only for sites like myspace and email and such" like every ISP I know of.
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| Nice performance "One (Cox) customer used 681 gigabytes of upstream bandwidth capacity in one month. His upstream speed is 2.3 Mbps, which means he almost hit his theoretical maximum possible upload capacity of 710 gigabytes."
WOW. This is pretty darn good network performance for this "One (Cox) customer". I mean think about that: The performance of Cox network had to be SUPERB for this user to "almost hit his 'theoretical maximum possible upload capacity'"
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| Re: Nice performance Lol you got them on that hahahah, for this to actually happen they would honestly have to have a direct connection to the node because many factor's would have normally got into the way, like I dunno PACKET SHAPING!
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| Trying.. It's very clear to me that Comcast is trying very hard to be civil and professional about this. They could just slap everyone with a 60GB cap/monthly.
While 250GB is plenty for me, I think having them throttle thee top 2-3% bandwidth users would be the most ideal. This way, if any of us was to consume so much bandwidth, that we'd have our speeds throttled for a few hours/day.
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·Comcast
·Verizon FIOS
| Yes! For once, I will say that Comcast has done something positive. I don't care what the cap is, but now customers can actually adhere to the policy, or they can choose otherwise if they don't like the caps. I don't recall the last time Comcast has done something that seems honest and clearly stated like this.
This needs to be implemented as soon as possible. | |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD | Where's the tool to measure this? Now that Comcast is beginning to talk about hard caps . . . they need to also begin talking about an account-based tool to allow subscribers to monitor their usage. | |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here
1 edit | faster than DSL? The slowest DSL speed tier gets you 105kb/s average upload while the fastest AT&T offers will give you about 650kb/s (420kb/s in the SE) average upload. So when they throttle it, what is the realistic speed they'll get? | |
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| pabster
join:2001-12-09
Waterloo, IA
·Mediacom
| Re: Again, they mislead people said by Dogfather :Sure looks to me like a direct attack on competing video services. Those video services rely on timely delivery and constant throughput after the initial buffer. What this system could do is empty the buffer 1/2 way through your rented movie or internet VOD program. A few times of that and who would want to bother renting a movie online. They'll go back to cable VOD. Very sneaky. Ding Ding Ding!
I've been saying precisely this for months.
And they're not "sneaky" at all. In fact, they're so transparent I find myself rolling in laughter at the naive bunnies who can't see the forest from the trees. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | The sad part is that its a capacity based rule
If nobodys on that node, he'd be using 100% of the capacity.
If the node is oversold, he might be able to hit 50%
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Again, they mislead people Not really. All they're doing is traffic shaping, de-prioritizing the packets. If you're at the bottom of a list with only you on it, yer still at the top. | |
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Hes Dead Jim
@verizon.net | Mixed or seperate Are they going to be measuring bandwidth as a mixed value taking the upload and download and adding together or is this cap 250GB download and 250GB of upload? | |
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spanglo
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join:2004-05-17
San Diego, CA | Re: Mixed or seperate I know COX has a measly 60GB cap total, but the UPLOAD CAP is only 15GB! BTW that cap is for the highest tier. | |
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neufuse
join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA | Now its top 2 to 3%? I remember comcast saying its the top one tenth of a percent... now its 2 to 3... what next top 10%? then top 20% and so on? | |
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DownTheShore
Maddie Knows Poopie
Premium
join:2003-12-02
Beautiful NJ
clubs:
| Why provide a service... ...if the first time the service maxes out you start cutting back the service? Isn't the point to provide the customer with what they need? If they'd increase their capability, the issue would become moot. Those with high upload/download rates would be able to continue to do so, while there would still be plenty of capacity for the rest of us.
I am tired of the end user being penalized or presumed to be a criminal just because they are taking full advantage of a service they are paying good money for. If volume exceeds capacity, then increase the capacity or get out of the business.
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LiVE4594
Something Like a Pimp
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join:2002-03-03
Ironton, OH
clubs: | I hope this is only for residential customers I may almost twice as much for a business account and I would hate to get hit with caps. We make and distrubute videos from our studio here in ohio. | |
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chronoss2008
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join:2008-03-29
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| Say NO TO CAPS A) you pay to access said toll highway
B) there is a speed limit and you decide after paying to drive all day up and donw the highway.
C) they get annoyed cause you aren't making them same buck as granma chekcing email and surfing the websites, which btw 256K ought to do so odnt try and spill this crude about all the maximum speeds on earth and then limit the ONLY thing its for at those speeds.
D) Don't lie and make up linux iso stories even i know thats lame, talk more about public domain movies ( found one site with 277 movies ) and public domain tv, and public domain everything. ITS THERE AND FREE....until they start capping us. | |
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| VictorWI
join:2003-05-30
Greendale, WI | Re: Say NO TO CAPS How do you turn around to go the other way on the tollway? The tollways I've been on you exit and pay. Up and down the tollway all day is going to cost you quite a bit. Its a bad analogy. | |
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chronoss2008
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join:2008-03-29
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
1 edit | how do you turn around you exit and get back on (go see the swedish ghostrider movies WOOT 300KM down highway)
as you have paid for the day you keep going all day
doesn't matter this is a example
so i am ALL DAY using one lane a traffic
that i pay for, bell and others want to have you ONLY use that highway instead a 100KM to go only 5KM at say your trip to work and back and during when you would like to use the net.
NOW explaining why NO to CAPS
A) I wold rather have a 4 megabit unlimited then a 16 megabit
with 60GB cap. DO the math.
Exmaple I had a signed up using my dads CC ( his permission ) to get a 3 year 5 megabit Ultra Unlimited - 1 terabyte down max and around 210GB up max.
If Bell was giving out these accounts knowing it could not fullfill its contractual duties of providing ANY of the said USERS with a full terabyte then they are at fault.
NOTE most people in ISP business say you gear to 80% of that and youd be fine , yet according to the way bell traffic shapes they are saying that they have oversolf by a factor of 20 accounts to every ONE they should have ( aka selling 1000 seats for a 50 seat school bus )
B) net neutrality, with unlimited you do not need to monitor the user, the user does what he/she wishes, laws can be added to safe guard ISP's to prevent hollywood style threats on them.
C) there will come a day when all the world wakes up and realizes that BUSH style ways and riaa/mpaa ways are more harmful.
D) The idea to simply put 5$ more cost on my ISP account and then holly wood can piss off. DONT want to pay that, then you are going to become restricted in dling and upping
and possible shaped as per what you have seen from comcast/bell canada. How to pay: ask sweden how the pirate tax is dished out and how it can work. NOTE massive civilian oversight needs be done here, and a council of internet users along with some industry types with majority to users. This ensures no CRTC style situation where we have former bell and rogers types sitting and deciding things. Also a small amount can goto ISP's partaking for the explicit USE of building up there network capacity.
HOWEVER i would not put a dime into nor this idea into BELL canada , it will have as a new company being sold 30 billion in debt and will find loopholes and ways to cut costs, note that one reason caip is getting wacked is also because while they provide bce with 75 million a month
that's would be multiplied by a fact or two if they could get rid of them all.
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And dont say you never download, i wish i could see a stat that proves you never do. The fact is everyone does at some point unless your a lawyer , some govt peep. Heck even warner brothers CEO's son downloaded stuff.
Did he get sued? Did he get fined , etc? | |
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Pizz
Hi
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | I've said it before Instead of fixing their capacity issues, and network upgrades. They're gonna fight tooth and nail, to keep users on outdated equipment, aslong as they can. Poor Poor, CableCO's with piggy users up all their over-sold bandwidth.
Throttling users is fine, but their fine print has nothing to do with piggy users. | |
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Is it about Bandwidth Hogs or competition from IPTV?
Why does the Japanese have a different philosophy:
