TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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|  Then they need to upgrade links from cell towers to backbone
If they claim these high speeds from the phone to the cell tower, then they better have a very aggressive upgrade of the links from the cell tower to the backbones. In downtown areas that may not be a problem, but as you get in to suburban and rural areas, most cell towers only handle T1 speeds to the backbone. Having 20 mbps from phone to tower means nothing if the rest of the infrastructure is not also upgraded.
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA | Forget Copper
Isn't that about the speed of U-Verse? |
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sheik28
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join:2000-10-15
New York, NY
| Startac??!!
What you said is very true. Bringing back memories too! Remember the havoc when they released the One Rate plan? Thankfully those days are long gone.
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ztmike
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Michigan City, IN
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1 edit | reply to Neyland
Re: Forget Copper
said by Neyland  :Isn't that about the speed of U-Verse? Not even close..U-Verse tops out at 10/1.5 ..kinda sad..isn't it?
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weaseled386
join:2008-04-13
Port Orange, FL
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Re: Then they need to upgrade links from cell towers to backbone
By 2009 the majority of towers will be OFF of copper T1's. Using a Charles Industries Wescom repeater, the same one used for copper T1 extensions, they're placing a Pulsecom card that takes four (of 28) slots. It condenses those spans into a single fiber. This fiber is then shot to the towers.
This is done for two reasons: higher speeds and reliability. After the tower is cut to FTTCS its rare that a tech is dispatched out there again.
I'm not saying this is going to enable the site to have 50+ 20MB customers, but it's where they're starting. |
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weaseled386
join:2008-04-13
Port Orange, FL | reply to ztmike
Re: Forget Copper
Do you think that just because that's the limit they have it at now that it's the limit of the physical equipment? Hopefully not. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to weaseled386
Re: Then they need to upgrade links from cell towers to backbone
In Uverse cities, this shouldn't be an issue... there's fiber to nodes all over the place. A short run between a Uverse node and a cell site wouldn't be difficult.
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| That's great...
But how many people can really get HSDPA? I mean, I live in a fairly developed close-in suburb, and it's not available here at all yet.
Though I don't use cellular data really- WiFi is usually available where I'd use it. (Though today the MBTA Commuter Rail Wi-Fi failed me, which was too bad, but failing to provide is to be expected from the MBTA) |
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ztmike
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Michigan City, IN
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| reply to weaseled386
Re: Forget Copper
said by weaseled386 :Do you think that just because that's the limit they have it at now that it's the limit of the physical equipment? Hopefully not. Not what I meant, but to have those kind of speeds..even Comcast beats that.
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tomkb
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join:2000-11-15
Avon, OH
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In this business you can make whatever wild claims you want, even if they will never come true. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| a joke
20 mbps?
What a joke. Rule 1, ATT will never release a wireless product that will marginalize its wired DSL.
20mbps per tower perhaps, per customer, no way.
Doesnt ATT Wireless have caps on its wireless internet anyway?  |
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a333
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join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY
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| my thoughts precisely.
Two things to carefully consider:
a) Does this come with the magic 5 gig cap?
b) What kind of backhaul is this using? Like patcat points out, it sure as hell won't reach 20 Megs/customer unless the backhaul is at LEAST a T3/OC fiber. Even then, you'll reach the full/close to full speed probably only when you're online at midnight.
Finally, I can't imagine how much the actual tethering options cost, as 20 Megs to the PHONE is utterly worthless, unless you have a reasonably-priced tethering plan.
AT&T should, IMHO, concentrate on pushing Rev1 HSDPA to more areas already. Even with such superior 3g phones as the I-Phone, their 3G coverage is n epic failure. |
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JohnQPublic
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join:2002-03-22
Xanadu
1 edit |  Yeah, whatever.
I can't get DSL Xtreme 6.0 at my residence, yet they're going to offer 20Mbps to a cell phone? Makes perfect sense.
FWIW, I live in the middle of Palm Beach County, so it's not like I'm living out in the bushes. I've had DSL since 1999, too.
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HEDP
join:2008-04-27
Miami, FL
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Re: a joke
God forbid they offer something lower, someone might get shot up in this joint. Can't ever be satisfied huh? |
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xxTRAGEDYxx
join:2008-03-14
Kannapolis, NC | 20Mbps???
How is at&t going to offer 20Mbps service w/cell phones and their residential service(excluding u-verse) doesn't even reach 10Mbps???? It looks as though at&t really has their priorities in order!!! WTFE!! |
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weaseled386
join:2008-04-13
Port Orange, FL
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·Bright House
| reply to ztmike
Re: Forget Copper
I install AT&T equipment for a living, and I don't even have their service  They haven't flipped the switch on U-Verse here yet, but even when the do I don't plan on jumping from Brighthouse/RR. As you said, 10/1.5 vs. 15/2... not much of a choice is there?!
The bonding of the two pairs for 25MB isn't a myth tho. The only question is how fast RR is going to go to match/beat it! |
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iLive4Apple
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join:2006-07-13
Helena, AL
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| reply to EPS
Re: That's great...
said by EPS :But how many people can really get HSDPA? I mean, I live in a fairly developed close-in suburb, and it's not available here at all yet. Though I don't use cellular data really- WiFi is usually available where I'd use it. (Though today the MBTA Commuter Rail Wi-Fi failed me, which was too bad, but failing to provide is to be expected from the MBTA) We have had 3G here in Central Alabama since 2006, and HSPDA since 07" before places like LA even had 3G |
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skrupowies
join:2002-08-22
Wallingford, CT
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| reply to weaseled386
Re: Forget Copper
said by weaseled386 :I install AT&T equipment for a living, and I don't even have their service They haven't flipped the switch on U-Verse here yet, but even when the do I don't plan on jumping from Brighthouse/RR.
That's great. You work for the company and support their major competitors for wireless, video and internet. That's certainly one way to support your company and, more importantly, your job! |
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skrupowies
join:2002-08-22
Wallingford, CT
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| reply to weaseled386
Re: Then they need to upgrade links from cell towers to backbone
said by weaseled386 :By 2009 the majority of towers will be OFF of copper T1's. Using a Charles Industries Wescom repeater, the same one used for copper T1 extensions, they're placing a Pulsecom card that takes four (of 28) slots. It condenses those spans into a single fiber. This fiber is then shot to the towers.
All that does is make the last mile on fiber but still has only 4 T-1's (6 Mb/s) feeding it. Here in Connecticut and other locations as far as I know, we are placing fiber to either Nortel or Fujitsu equipment right at the cell site that can provide DS3's, Ethernet or OC3's which will truly support 20 Mb/s wireless. So many of the sites will be capable of these speeds all the way to the web, not just the tower. |
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DivineDark
join:2001-08-30
Oklahoma City, OK
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Pipe dreams |
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