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Comments on news posted 2008-05-12 16:42:11: Looking closely at new incumbent anti-piracy plans, the passage of the new Pro-IP Act and the new P4P Working Group, you'll notice we've entered a new era of copyright-enforcement where ISPs plan to play a much greater role in protecting copyright la.. ..

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Promote P2P.. for a limited time only

So. the ISPs that promoted P2P to get their customers and are now trying to drive them away?

A bar opens up right next to another bar who has been in business for 10 years.
The new bar promisses you won't get a DUI because they will protect you by telling the police they have no way of knowing how many beers you had so they can't report anything.
The old bar closes due to lack of business.
The new bar starts calling the police everytime you leave drunk.

Sounds like the same situation to me. Perfectly legal, but I bet they loose most of their customers.

RainWind

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Here's a solution...

People caught pirating must agree to sign up for a minimum of 1 year to either netflix (for movie pirates) or rhapsody/yahoo/whatever (for music pirates). We can call it piracy rehabilitation or something.

If you can't afford $15/month for a subscription service then you need to spend less time using your broadband (which costs more than $15/month) to pirate and more time mowing lawns and shoveling snow. Even at the age of 12 I could make $15 a month by doing things for people.

We may hate the RIAA, but because of all the various contracts and what not they are legally entitled to receive payment for their artist's works. IMO more groups need to take the path of NIN, and soon to be Metallica as well. The RIAA is evil, but they've also helped a number of artists who would never have had a chance get on their feet.

If the RIAA wants to do something about piracy then they need to offer a service that for $20/month you get unlimited access to every song you could ever want. Same for the MPAA. $40/mo and you can pirate all you want.

I have no problem with the RIAA and MPAA wanting their cut of the money, because they are entitled to it, but there needs to be some changes in their business model. They need to play fair and be reasonable or people will continue to rip them off.

danham

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The 3000-pound gorilla in the room

Libel.

The main reason ISPs have been happy to remain "common carriers" is because that removes their obligation to monitor content for things like libel, defamation and yes, copyright infringement.

See Cubby vs. Compuserve, the first-ever online libel case (with which I was indirectly involved as a sysop of the old Journalism Forum).

Once the carriers let this gorilla into the room they may live to regret it, revenue notwithstanding. A couple of really high-dollar libel awards should cure the problem in short order.

-dan
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anime

will all the talk of p2p and piracy it seems that us anime users are forgotten or do we not count because most of it is unlicensed and or it is considered a grey market area
Exothermicus

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ISP better start hosting copies of legit files then!

I rely on protocols such as BitTorrent to download and evaluate the latest Linux Distro's. If My ISP starts to institute these brain dead anti-piracy filters that can't tell the difference between a Linux Distro and some Britney spears porn, then I will be demanding my ISP get into the business of providing an up to date high bandwidth mirror for all of the legal downloads I currently get off of various protocols.

As others have said policing copyright violations is not the job of the ISP, but the job of the copyright holder. After all everything (even my legal) downloads are copyrighted. The difference is some copyright holders want their content shared and others would rather keep it to themselves.

Exo

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Re: ISP better start hosting copies of legit files then!

said by Exothermicus See Profile :

I rely on protocols such as BitTorrent to download and evaluate the latest Linux Distro's.
If you're installing distros that often, it might be time to look into using PXE and doing net installs. The ISOs contain all kinds of bloat in the form of files that never get installed, or worse, packages that need updating immediately after the system is running anyway. If you do a net minimal install and then use the package manager (aptitude, yum, yast, up2date, etc) to install packages or package groups you can cut your network load by at least half in most cases.

CultofSkaro

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fake petition

not to burst the savetheinternet's bubble but a computer generated petition without a valid signature is worthless and does constitute a legitimate protest. This is why evry email boycott/petition is not real. If you want to pettion congress you have to go door to door and get actual signatures.
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Froggy

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The Battle Has Just Begun

That line about Canada is hilarious! Canadians are speed throttled and traffic shaped as well they have some of the lowest monthly caps in the world yes world not civilized world. A big download for a Canadian is a movie trailer. If they dared try to download p2p which would take months just to download one movie they'd have to pay hundreds of dollars in overuse fees. It has been said that the internet in Africa is much better than the internet in Canada.

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and when no one uses the net

so we pull a john connor

we beocme true pirates and get external drives and run aorund cities and places trading with buds.
we use hacked lines to move things around and make the problem someone elses. When no one is allowed internet ( the end goal ) then i wonder who will want to commercially use it and it goes back to its old self perhaps a cycle of a hundred years.
hrm
open source movies
open source music
open source software
open source gov't
what a novel idea
open source novels
ya

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Whats the point then?

If you can't download large files due to filters, etc., then what on Earth is the point of DOCSIS 3 and the higher speeds Comcast and other providers are promising? Without newsgroups (and, uh, uTorrent) I really have no need for any speeds greater than 768 or 1536 downloads.

So I guess the ISPs are free to filter the content consumers get but I really think it will be to their detriment since people will not want to pay high prices for bandwidth they won't be able to use.
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