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1 edit |  Amazon's S3 failure warns should go slow
The trend is to RIAs and Web 2.0, but businesses should proceed with caution. Amazon's very visible S3 storage system failure( »news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080216/ap_···s_outage ) is proof that putting everything on the Web can be risky. Especially if the typical disaster recovery planning is not performed adequately.
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telcolackey
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1 edit | BBR News?
Is this news or a Google ad? |
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1 edit | said by telcolackey  :Is this news or a Google ad? Is that really necessary?
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KoolMoe
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Re: Amazon's S3 failure warns should go slow
Absolutely. I'm definitely not sold that RIAs are a replacement to standard desktop applications. If ever you can't get online, for whatever reason, there's no productivity; like on an airplane. In the air, I can still work on Word docs, PPTs, coding, local website development, etc. The only thing that could drive me to net-based apps, everything else being equal (which it's not) is significant cost savings.
There are lots of ideas where RIAs do make sense, but replacing business-critical applications? I'm very skeptical.
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| hm. where i work, most of our applications are already web based interfaces to databases and such.
it sucks. seriously hard.
when things get busy and there's alot of us accessing the same interface, things slow to a crawl.
it might be that the underlying access structure is badly done, or it might be that having everything being sent back and forth over an https connection is a bad idea. who knows.
personally i think it's kind of silly. i can see how it would be useful for some things, but... to be honest, it just seems like a bad way to do things because there's that many more steps between user input and final output for things to go wrong. |
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fuziwuzi
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| bandwidth?
Heaven forbid you try to use these "rich internet applications" and use too much of your internet connection. Comcast and other cable ISPs could accuse you of "abuse" and throttle your speed or cut you off completely. Or maybe they'll say you need to pay $100s per month for a "business" connection.
What good is a huge pipe if you're limited to using a squirt gun to send water through it? |
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telcolackey
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|  Ahh... that post was expected.
Guess they just need to move to tiering or some sort of metered billing.
What good is electricity if you can't leave all your lights on and windows open all day long?
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NJxxxJon
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Web 2.0 is over-rated. Ive seen the XP desktops online things, widgets, or apps and they suck. You can't really store files over 4 mb Online 
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fiberguy
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| Web 2.0 is just a "cute term" that people looking for attention are trying to coin.. (It's annoying when people slap a name on something to draw personal focus)
Asides... I do agree your post. For business, MAYBE, will these apps come popular.. actually, they already are. Cable, for example, doesn't really house their own software for the billing systems. If you use CSG systems, much of it is hosted by the company in TX anyway.
However, for the end user... it's not going to fly in full steam.. not for ANYTIME soon. The moment someone can't access a program because their internet is down, or slow.. say good bye!
Even if you put a fiber link direct to everyone's home.. it won't work. People want control of their own life.. people, at least in this era, are NOT going to want to "plug in" on everything. |
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2 edits | reply to telcolackey
Re: BBR News?
said by telcolackey :Is this news or a Google ad? Spam!
[joke]Karl gets payed by comcast , Verizon and att
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@comcast.net | No worries - Google gears solves no Internet
So those who say well what if i lose my nection.. I cant access my work, etc....
Well Google and others are working on it so when its saved online a copy is also saved on your desktop too! |
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They keep pushing this like it's a good idea, broadband in he usa is still way to slow to use for this and I'd rather have apps running on a fast computer. |
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Boogeyman
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Re: bandwidth?
said by telcolackey :Ahh... that post was expected. Guess they just need to move to tiering or some sort of metered billing. What good is electricity if you can't leave all your lights on and windows open all day long? Yeah, god forbid someone might want to leave thier fridge on all day. Or hot water heater. Or computer. Or air conditioner. Or de/humidifyer. Or etc, etc, etc. Just because I'm not taking a shower right now doesnt mean I want to have to wait for the water to warm up every time I take one.
Just because I'm not sitting at my computer at the moment, doesnt mean its not doing something I am paying for it to do... |
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b10010011
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Bellingham, WA | This sort of made sense in the 90's
Back when a 100 megabyte hard drive would set you back $300 and a gig of RAM was unheard of.
But today? It's just stupid. |
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ThisIsABadIdea
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| This is a BAD idea
Apart from the bandwidth issues and possible problems related to accessibility from everywhere, what about the major control this gives some other corporation over your data? It's difficult enough to trust insiders within your own company with your data; now you are asking an outside vendor to watch it, when they could care less about its security? I'm waiting for the lawsuit when a business' data is held hostage due to a late bill, or a third party vendor sells company secrets of its clients to competitors. In fact, it's probably already happening. This idea is actually an old idea (can you say ASP, anyone?), and the idea is just as shortsighted and stupid now as it was then. A disturbing overall trend behind all of this is the handing of control to outside forces, whether these forces are government entities or private vendors. The laziness of business and individuals will ultimately be our downfall. |
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telcolackey
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Re: bandwidth?
said by Boogeyman :Yeah, god forbid someone might want to leave thier fridge on all day. Or hot water heater. Or computer. Or air conditioner. Or de/humidifyer. Or etc, etc, etc. Just because I'm not taking a shower right now doesnt mean I want to have to wait for the water to warm up every time I take one. I think we both know that we are not talking about a hot water heater here. You should have used things like multiple hot tubs, pool, heated garage, or tapping your electric line to run the lighting store next door.
This is why it is important for the top 1% to pay their fair share of that electricity vs. the average user. Why should my small home have the same electric bill as your 50,000 sq ft mansion + lighting store business?
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fuziwuzi
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said by telcolackey :Ahh... that post was expected. Guess they just need to move to tiering or some sort of metered billing. What good is electricity if you can't leave all your lights on and windows open all day long? It is a shame you're not clever enough to come up with a valid analogy. |
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telcolackey
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1 edit | Oh Yeah!!!
Sorry, would rather not digress into personal attacks. If you can't figure out the economic similarities, go ask your mum. 
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| Architecture is key
I think we have to separate this into a couple of categories.
If you're looking at SAAS in temrs of business apps deployed internally or externally or if you're looking at personal apps deployed/accessed via web.
SAAS for business is viable for things like web conferencing, WebEx, Sametime Unyte, Goto Meeting all provide this function. Good stuff.
While I think Web 2.0 mantra is a bit tired in a way, the idea of richer apps which are delivered via browser is clearly the way things are going for many services.
Now, it is true I can take my Lotus Notes 8 client and combine mail, C&S, productivity tools, enterprise data via composite apps, instant messaging and doc libraries under one client, many things could be delivered via browser.
Internally browser apps are taking off as well. Many of ours are browser based and replaced a HOG of a desktop app that was slow & painful to use. The key again is how you architect the solution.
Since this is an area in which I work, I'll just say if you look at where things are going corporate wise, social software etc. it is all web based, all rich content apps and they work very, very well.
Do not run away, architect well.
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fuziwuzi
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Re: bandwidth?
said by telcolackey :Oh Yeah!!! Sorry, would rather not digress into personal attacks. If you can't figure out the economic similarities, go ask your mum. I loathe incorrect formation of analogies, yours being a prime example. If you cannot accept valid criticism, perhaps a public forum is not your forte. |
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