SkyBlue
join:2007-03-31 | Another issue that needs fixing DMCA
Good information.
This needs to be addressed its gone to far.
Riaa is going nuts.
Thanks for the top 10 list of torrents. |
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Slingbox isn't a recording technology (like a DVR). They had planned a sling & catch recording/rewind/whatever feature, but that never came to the light of day.
Slingbox IS a re-broadcaster, but it doesn't record.
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kba4
join:2001-10-23
Canton, OH
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I'm pretty sure that the term 'broadcast' refers to the ability to send the multimedia content to a wide group of 'receivers', not simply to transmit highly compressed versions of content between a private connection (or even over the Internet) between One' hosting and client PC. Also consider the time in which the laws were written, this was a time when the best a broadcaster could do was construct a high antenna and invest lots of money into their 'station'... PC's and broadband weren't even a fantasy at that time.
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amigo_boy
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Tempe, AZ
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Re: Another issue that needs fixing DMCA
said by SkyBlue  :This needs to be addressed its gone to far. IMO, it will never be addressed unless affects more people (generating more grass-roots activism or civil disobedience). I don't think most people care about the origins of copyright or the balance it was intended to strike between facilitating a market (through social, public law) and recompensing society as the ultimate property owner (through Public Domain).
If the vast majority don't see a value from Public Domain, there will be little political influence (as corporations and special interest groups representing artists lobby for the value they see in the other side of the equation).
I think that's the challenge. How to make the vast disinterested aware of the issues in terms they can understand.
Mark |
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ |  In defense of copyright laws
Good article defending copyright laws:
»libertariannation.org/a/f44h2.html |
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Anomaly95
join:2005-12-11
Phoenix, AZ | Re: Copyright Laws in the 21st Century
Unfortunately, I don't see copyright law being changed anytime soon. Or if it does, it'll be in favor of the **AA's.
Of course, most of this is the **AA's doing. They have armies of lobbyists. |
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floydb_1982
join:2004-08-25
Kent, WA | I don't understand
If all your doing is coping the audio CD's you own on to your computer but not sharing online then how can the RIAA possible going after in court for that. That's crazy. The RIAA has gone mad with power. |
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
| "Update" nothing.
At this point, the only "update" of copyright laws I wouldn't suspect would just tighten the screws would be along the lines of
Title 17 of the United States Code is hereby repealed. The United States hereby withdraws from the Berne Convention on Copyrights and the World Intellectual Property Organization.
Anything else will simply be more of the same -- more control for scumbags, at the expense of everyone else, in the guise of "updating" laws. |
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bear73
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Re: Another issue that needs fixing DMCA
said by amigo_boy :said by SkyBlue :This needs to be addressed its gone to far. IMO, it will never be addressed unless affects more people (generating more grass-roots activism or civil disobedience). I don't think most people care about the origins of copyright or the balance it was intended to strike between facilitating a market (through social, public law) and recompensing society as the ultimate property owner (through Public Domain). If the vast majority don't see a value from Public Domain, there will be little political influence (as corporations and special interest groups representing artists lobby for the value they see in the other side of the equation). I think that's the challenge. How to make the vast disinterested aware of the issues in terms they can understand. Mark ya hit that one in hte bullseye...
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n1zuk
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Re: broadcast?
said by kba4 :I'm pretty sure that the term 'broadcast' refers to the ability to send the multimedia content to a wide group of 'receivers', not simply to transmit highly compressed versions of content between a private connection (or even over the Internet) between One' hosting and client PC. I must agree with you here. If I were to put an antenna on top of my house, convert the 300 ohm output to 75 ohms, run it through an amplifier, out to a coax cable, and connect it to my TV set (which converts the radio frequency modulated signal into light and audio frequency modulated signal), how is that much different than the standard Slingbox technology? It is just a 21st century solution, replacing Ethernet (and fiber) for coax and twin lead, and covering (potentially) a greater distance.
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bear73
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hence the reason it all needs to be re-assesed and U-Maine has begun allowing law students to defend fellow students against RIAA and MPAA. The law students are closer to the technology and have a (presumed) better understanding of it.
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bear73
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Re: I don't understand
said by floydb_1982 :...The RIAA has gone mad with power. Precisely!!!
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mrchris
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North Babylon, NY
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Re: Copyright Laws in the 21st Century
The lobbyists should be deported and have their US citizenship revoked until 2021. |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
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Re: In defense of copyright laws
said by TKJunkMail :libertarian nation It loses a lot of credibility claiming a bias toward libertarianism. The article's premise is that contracts and licenses are an option. Like so many things in libertarianism, they're not realistic.
Let's say someone writes a book and sells it to me with conditions stipulated in a contract (initial each paragraph, etc.). I give the book to you. You digitize it and put it online. Free for all to use. You're not guilty of breach of contract because you're not a party to the contract. You're not obligated to say how you obtained the book. Therefore, it would never come back to me as breaching the contract.
This is the reason societies implemented social moderations to private, common-law property transfers hundreds of years ago. They realized there was no good way to encourage creative people to create without a universal, public limitation on property transfer. It was recognized that society benefits when creative people create. Therefore they were given "limited monopolies" on their works.
The problem is that today we've lost sight of society's role in facilitating a market that would not exist in a purely libertarian/anarchic/free-market world. Artists and publishers have been given an almost complete monopoly. Society benefits very little for its role in facilitating this market.
Maybe the solution is indeed to revert to contracts. Artists and publishers would realize very quickly how dependent they are upon society for their trade. Maybe they'd settle for more "fair use" and shorter durations.
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K Patterson
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Columbus, OH
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| Hang on, folks
Yes, this is widely reported across the 'net.
No such claim by the RIAA appears in any filing I can find.
Here is the current RIAA filing before the court. The complaint is that he was sharing files using KaZaa, not that he copied CD's to his hard drive.
»www.ilrweb.com/viewILRPDF.asp?fi···talBrief |
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major marco
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Ars Technica sums up the problem fairly concisely here and here. Anyone interested in copyright beyond the usual infotainment soundbyte can read more here. It is an outstanding piece well worth the read.
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floydb_1982
join:2004-08-25
Kent, WA | You gatta read this
»www.boycott-riaa.com/facts/truth |
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PolarBear
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Re: broadcast?
I also agree with kba4 and n1zuk. You are still only using the output of one receiver (cable box, sat receiver, whatever) to watch TV with.
I can take the coax output from my DTV receiver, run it through a splitter, and send that signal to two TVs at the same time. THAT'S legal. So why can't I take that output and send it over the internet to another TV, instead of over coax? All it is is a different transport medium. I can still only watch one channel at a time, just in a different location, just like if I split the coax to two TVs. |
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GlobalMind
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Hollywood, FL
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Re: Hang on, folks
said by K Patterson :Yes, this is widely reported across the 'net. No such claim by the RIAA appears in any filing I can find. Here is the current RIAA filing before the court. The complaint is that he was sharing files using KaZaa, not that he copied CD's to his hard drive. » www.ilrweb.com/viewILRPDF.asp?fi···talBrief Good deal. Thanks for that.
So he ripped the CDs down then shared them. Yep that falls into what they go after as infringement (for distribution).
Otherwise their case would be totally bogus since Fair Use is very clearly codified in Title 17, AND, widely accepted that ripping down the music CD for use on your personal PC or digital device is perfectly legal.
Oh and "unauthorized" does not necessarily equal illegal.
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redxii
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Isn't that how the person was caught? But that don't give the *AA the right to set arbitrarily high "damages" per song and perhaps the artist not getting one cent of that. |
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