 TheToroPremium
join:2003-06-05
N8B3L8 | it's all about money I can't believe a company like British telecom is saying such a bullshit. they don't just want to spend any pound, it's should be easy and cheap for them, it's a big company and the UK is not really big. |
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 Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12
1 edit | BT's Director of Equivalence? That reminds me of the "Ministry of Plenty" for some reason. 
Sounds like he has the Doublespeak down as well.
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 ronpinImagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | reply to TheToro
Re: it's all about money Ancient copper was the justification for Verizon's FiOS yes? England surely has even more ancient copper than Verizon had right? (unless WWII caused a total rebuild)
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openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Germany, and I'm guessing the UK, has a relatively new copper plant due to their rebuilding after WWII. |
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openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | reply to TheToro
How is it BS that a company doesn't currently see the need for FTTH based on current technology and their customers' usage? It's not that they don't necessarily want to spend the money, but they are looking for assurances that they'll be able to recoup investment, i.e. no/minimal regulation. Sounds fair to me. |
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| Perhaps even outright subsidization. |
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 NOCManMacChatterPremium
join:2004-09-30
Colorado Springs, CO | reply to openbox9
said by openbox9:How is it BS that a company doesn't currently see the need for FTTH based on current technology and their customers' usage? It's not that they don't necessarily want to spend the money, but they are looking for assurances that they'll be able to recoup investment, i.e. no/minimal regulation. Sounds fair to me. BT is stonewalling for some sort of exclusivity agreement so they can crowd out any competition if they deploy fiber.
On the other hand, with the exception of rural areas perhaps their RT densities could allow them to offer higher speeds over ADSL2+. Though they may not have built their plant to support channel bonding so they could be stuck at slower speeds.
The demand is there every time a download takes longer than a few minutes to complete. |
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openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | So if it takes someone 3 minutes to download 100+MB service pack from Microsoft, the demand is there? I don't buy it. |
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openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | reply to expert007
I'm not totally sure about BT's history, but if we subsidize in the US, we'll be having the same arguments in another 25 years that we're having today. |
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Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to openbox9
said by openbox9:So if it takes someone 3 minutes to download 100+MB service pack from Microsoft, the demand is there? I don't buy it. Tell someone it's going to take 30 minutes to download something, or tell them it will take 3 minutes.
Watch the "demand" appear on their face as they reach for their wallet.
Just because *YOU* don't mind waiting, doesn't mean everyone does. We're an impulsive society, we want it now now now.
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openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Once again, I don't know the situation in the UK, but a majority of the people in the US don't appears to be willing to "reach for their wallets". Being an impulsive society simply means that we'll start a download, then grab some pizza and beer from the fridge, and watch a little TV. It doesn't mean that we're willing to pay more money than necessary to get something. |
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| Bandwidth Hogs Wait, the demand is not there, but these guys are complaining about people consuming too much bandwidth and want to charge by the byte?
Oink-oink, I say. It is pretty clear who the pigs are. |
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| network neutrality This is all to do with network neutrality - FTTH will open up new applications and BT wants a cut - and why shouldn't they if they have to invest billions. |
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Re: it's all about money We're also a cheap society. Money rules all. Its why so many people switch to VoIP even knowing the quality is in most cases worse than POTs. People will deal with some small issues like lower call quality and possible interruptions if it saves them some money.
If you tell someone they can have it in 3 minutes instead of 30 of course they'll be interested... and then tell them they're going to pay an extra $50 and they'll find something else to do for that other 27 minutes. |
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 elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | said by RainWind7:We're also a cheap society. Money rules all. Its why so many people switch to VoIP even knowing the quality is in most cases worse than POTs. People will deal with some small issues like lower call quality and possible interruptions if it saves them some money. If you tell someone they can have it in 3 minutes instead of 30 of course they'll be interested... and then tell them they're going to pay an extra $50 and they'll find something else to do for that other 27 minutes. i dont know about that
my Skype to Skype sounds BETTER then POTS to POTS
even Skype to POTS sounds better but you can really tell how crappy POTS is when your on the Skype end of a Skype to POTS call |
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 BoogeymanDrive it like you stole itPremium
join:2002-12-17
Seward, AK | the future... I hate how a lot of companies and gov agencies use the "We dont need it right now" excuse. Sure, we dont NEED 20mbps right now, but remember, 10 yrs ago, we didnt need 3mbs down. Hell, I have 6mbps right now and some pages still take a few seconds to load. I remember 5 yrs ago when my 1.5mbps connection just wasnt cutting it because of all the pages using flash. Now that streaming video is taking off, more people are going to want more bandwidth.
Its just like with roads, by the time the gov (city/county/state) decides to make that 2 lane road a 4 lane and the construction is done, we need 6 lanes.
So sure, we dont NEED it NOW, but if you start building it now, it will be usable by the time it IS needed. |
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1 edit | Maybe this isn't a bad thing. I have heard that the UK has some of the most restrictive caps . So maybe having fiber is not such a bad idea, given that the customer could potientally hit that cap a lot quicker on fiber than copper. |
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