h4x0r3d
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W8ASA
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| Thorttling? Heh Heh
Sorry, couldn't resist... ISPs have no business forging TCP packets. They're not law enforcement, and forging the packets is just plain wrong. Internet neutrality? What's that?
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Enlightener
join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX | Free Ride
I'm just waiting for FiberIdiot to reply how much he hates Vuze getting a free ride on ISP's backs. |
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Cabal
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join:2007-01-21
Boston, MA | reply to W8ASA
Re: Thorttling? Heh Heh
Network neutrality doesn't mean network and bandwidth management isn't allowed. |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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| reply to Enlightener
Re: Free Ride
said by Enlightener  :I'm just waiting for FiberIdiot to reply how much he hates Vuze getting a free ride on ISP's backs. I'll substitute for him. Vuze is just trying to provide their product while limiting the costs of providing traditional servers and the associated bandwidth costs. And they use P2P because that way they can transfer those costs to the ISPs. Their request to the FCC is just their way of getting the government to enforce their extortionate demands.
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cvrefugee
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join:2003-09-15
Corona, CA
| reply to Cabal
Re: Thorttling? Heh Heh
said by Cabal :Network neutrality doesn't mean network and bandwidth management isn't allowed. Then the ISPs should be upfront about their practices so consumers have a choice. |
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gatorkram
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Winterville, NC
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Re: Free Ride
Both them, and their end users, are paying someone for the bandwidth they are using. Both should be able to use it how they wish.
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gatorkram
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| reply to Cabal
Re: Thorttling? Heh Heh
said by Cabal :Network neutrality doesn't mean network and bandwidth management isn't allowed. Most ISPs in this boat, also have data useage caps in place. It seems to me, they should wait for those caps to be broken before they start blocking users from any particular program, or protocol, or activities.
It seems to me, they want to say they have good caps, and then in the hidden shadows, they block what they think is a small and quiet minority, who wouldn't dare shine the light of day in their own direction.
Looks like they were wrong.
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W8ASA
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Dayton, OH
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| reply to Cabal
I think that if a customer purchase a certain bandwidth/speed, then he should be allowed to use that speed. Of course, speeds will vary as more users are online on a particular node (like cable in the evenings), but an ISP should NEVER throttle a user on purpose. If I ever became aware that my connection was being throttled (no, I never abuse it, by the way), I would immediately fire my ISP. I've paid for the speed: Now, let me use it.
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qworster
join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA
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| A novel way to fix the problem!
Rather then use Sandvine to steal bandwidth from paying customers, so you can give more of it it to those living in areas where FIOS exists, why not IMPROVE YOUR NETWORK?
It's a well known fact that the cable companies give their subscribers that live in areas where FIOS is available MUCH faster speeds.
With taxes and fees, I pay well over 50 bucks a month for my Internet. That's more then I pay for electric, gas, telephone, trash pick up and cable TV. That's the HIGHEST utility charge I pay!
Yet, companies like Comcast want to give me LESS, while at the same time constantly raising my rates.
If you weren't the only game in town for me, I'd drop you in a second! |
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Enlightener
join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Free Ride
I would argue that P2P should be seen as a good thing for ISP's. If the protocol can account for transaction cost, members of a swarm within an ISP can trade packets locally without having to have backbone long haul traffic. |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by Enlightener :I would argue that P2P should be seen as a good thing for ISP's. If the protocol can account for transaction cost, members of a swarm within an ISP can trade packets locally without having to have backbone long haul traffic. But, for cable companies, it overloads limited upstream traffic on residential nodes causing ever increasing infrastructure costs not offset by lower backbone costs. This ultimately adds to the price their customers will have to pay. Vuze on the other hand gets to keep their costs low while raking in the ad dollars.
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LeftOfSanity
join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE
| reply to qworster
Re: A novel way to fix the problem!
said by qworster :Rather then use Sandvine to steal bandwidth from paying customers, so you can give more of it it to those living in areas where FIOS exists, why not IMPROVE YOUR NETWORK? It's a well known fact that the cable companies give their subscribers that live in areas where FIOS is available MUCH faster speeds. With taxes and fees, I pay well over 50 bucks a month for my Internet. That's more then I pay for electric, gas, telephone, trash pick up and cable TV. That's the HIGHEST utility charge I pay! Yet, companies like Comcast want to give me LESS, while at the same time constantly raising my rates. If you weren't the only game in town for me, I'd drop you in a second! Why doesn't Vuze man up and provide their own taditional servers to stream from? So they can save money.
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Chuckles
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Saint Paul, MN
| reply to qworster
said by qworster :If you weren't the only game in town for me, I'd drop you in a second! Is that what you told your girlfriend? 
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gatorkram
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join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
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| reply to W8ASA
Re: Thorttling? Heh Heh
said by W8ASA :I think that if a customer purchase a certain bandwidth/speed, then he should be allowed to use that speed. Of course, speeds will vary as more users are online on a particular node (like cable in the evenings), but an ISP should NEVER throttle a user on purpose. If I ever became aware that my connection was being throttled (no, I never abuse it, by the way), I would immediately fire my ISP. I've paid for the speed: Now, let me use it. Sadly, firing your isp isn't always a good option. Taking your money and running just saves you, but leaves everyone back there to suffer.
A lot of people in this world act like this. Save themselves, everyone else be damned. It might even be human nature.
Sometimes I think we need to stand and fight for the better good of everyone. I think this is one of those issues.
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
| reply to h4x0r3d
Resistance is futile
By the time all these net neutrality issues get worked out in the courts and the FCC, thier efforts of blocking will have been wasted, as it will be circumvented by the internet community.
They waited too long to attack p2p properly, it is now an established protocol used by legal content providers that are in direct competition with the cable networks.
You will be assimilated ... |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
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Re: Free Ride
But you always say 'business exists to make money'. What's that I hear? silence? Ooooooh... you mean BIG BUISINESS exists to make money, everyone else is expected to PAY money? So, what's your take, should a business MAKE money? I mean, Vuze is taking advantage of an infrastructure to make money. Is the fact that it's not a MEGACORP enough to stop them?
Your comments are ALWAYS a shill for the megacorp, never for the user, and never for the startup. Put up or shut up then.
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espaeth
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Minneapolis, MN
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| reply to qworster
Re: A novel way to fix the problem!
said by qworster :Rather then use Sandvine to steal bandwidth from paying customers, so you can give more of it it to those living in areas where FIOS exists, why not IMPROVE YOUR NETWORK? You should research the available network / CMTS equipment they could use to improve their bandwidth on the local access loop. Then you can submit the equipment recommendation and cost proposal to the Comcast network engineering team.
You could be a hero -- I'm sure they've never even considered looking at the feasibility of upgrades.
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questionable
join:2005-10-18
Phoenix, AZ | reply to LeftOfSanity
So you want them to get there own servers? This would raise rates. It's called business economics provide a quality service the cheapest way possible.. P2P was created for things of this nature really.. if you think about it |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
2 edits | reply to espaeth
How much does Sandvine cost? Not including fines, suits, upset customers, bad PR ... Singlehandedly reversing years of advertising costs of making a strong public stature ... |
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