en102
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Valencia, CA
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1 edit | DNS opt out is flawed
Cookies will only work with browsers or apps that are cookie based. Applications not using cookies will have issues. This is a flawed method. Opting out should have DHCP change your DNS settings to 'clean' DNS servers.
Technically speaking, shouldn't this be and 'opt-in', as its breaking apps that truly rely on DNS to function properly.
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rcdailey
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Rialto, CA | I suppose you could set up your connection to use OpenDNS servers instead of defaulting to using the DNS provided by TWC. That would probably get around this DNS redirection. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | True, but that should be done by TWC, I shouldn't have to mess with my DNS settings to obtain valid DNS results... This isn't AOL, afterall.
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DotMac4
Shill H8r
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Huntington Beach, CA | reply to rcdailey
OpenDNS uses redirection too.
»www.opendns.com/features/guide/ |
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DotMac4
Shill H8r
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1 edit | I wish...
ICANN could somehow compel ISPs to conform to the Internet's "mechanical" standards like allowing 404's to 404 by default. If a user wishes to opt in, that's fine. |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: DNS opt out is flawed
But you can opt out of it if you sign up as a free user:
Just leave the typo correction boxes unchecked and the usual server not found error pops up..
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JRKy
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Colorado Springs, CO | reply to DotMac4
But you can customize the OpenDNS redirection to your own company logos and text. They don't redirect to advertise.
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JRKy
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1 edit | reply to DotMac4
Re: I wish...
Those "mechanical" standards are the web servers doing. Nothing to do with the "internet".
You could always use IPs for your requests and avoid all of this  .
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amungus
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Ok, so should I just go ahead and get the list of ROOT DNS servers right now?
Can an avg. home user use them or their nearest neighbors that are NOT part of this whole redirection insanity?
I really don't get it. Isn't AOL still around? If people want this, can they not still sign up for AOL? ...Wait, AOL IS TW isn't it?
Starting to think I want nothing to do with such a service after looking at that Cox forum's 1st page...
The pic that showed 'suggested' results didn't even have DSLR or anything close listed in its 'results' there...
Sure, everyone mis-types an address from time to time, but if it gives me this kind of junk before I can click the stop button, or a generic REAL error result, then I want absolutely nothing to do with it.
Seriously, this makes no sense, even for a little extra profit.. SEARCH ENGINES are very helpful if you aren't sure of a web address... That's been one of their primary functions since the beginning. |
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hopeflicker
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Long Beach, CA | greed
Yet another anti-consumer trick.
Why is it that companies make "YOU" jump though hoops?
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Jodokast96
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1 edit | said by hopeflicker  :Yet another anti-consumer trick. Why is it that companies make "YOU" jump though hoops? Because enough people are willing to. |
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koitsu
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Mountain View, CA
| Boycott.
Someone needs to form an organisation and start boycotting this crap. None of the jhonkas in upper management are aware of how DNS works, and how services/protocols rely on it -- thus, are completely unaware of how garbage like this causes massive havoc.
It needs to end.
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
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Re: DNS opt out is flawed
said by en102 :This isn't AOL, afterall. But the duopoly does want to turn "your" internet into a lovely AOL-esque walled garden.
Don't worry though, I'm sure that a 3rd party overbuilder will spring up out of nowhere and provide "real" internet any day now. |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
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clubs: | boo to this
all these DNS redirection schemes should be made illegal. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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The Lou
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| Upon further reflection....
So far, the companies doing this are NOT Comcast. Is Comcast generating extra revenue by saving bandwidth?
From just a quick search, I can't find any mention of any bandwidth limitation with Cox...and I know the other companies implementing this are not limiting bandwidth usage. While I may be wrong, it seems that to provide the "sales" bandwidth speeds at affordable prices, they're subsidizing using these methods.
Granted, many folks here may not like it, but nearly every other customer of theirs wouldn't even blink at this change. Also, anyone that sees this as an annoyance should be well aware of how to change it.
So, is this really a problem?
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MiloMindbend
join:2001-01-18
Jeannette, PA | Open letter to internet providers
Dear ISPs looking to make a quick advertising buck,
DNS is used by (a lot) more than just web browsers.
Look it up -- and stop breaking existing standards with your bright ideas. >:-/
Sincerely,
The rest of the 'net |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
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| Yup... Web browsers are the revenue stream that they want... then they should have a cookie set on the browsers to 'opt-in' when they hit the corporate web site. All non-browser based DNS lookups would function properly.
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DotMac4
Shill H8r
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Huntington Beach, CA | reply to koitsu
Re: Boycott.
While I did drop CATV/DBS after the latest round of price increases in my area my choice is Time Warner (which I currently use) and Verizon FiOS. Both providers use redirection. |
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StudioTech
S2409W plus SA4250HD
join:2001-10-10
Edison, NJ | Don't these companies remember the SiteFinder scandal?
For those that don't remember:
»www.internetnews.com/bus-news/ar···/3080071 |
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DotMac4
Shill H8r
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1 edit | reply to JRKy
Re: I wish...
By mechanical standards I'm talking about following the TCP/IP convention including proper DNS resolution instead of hijacking it to make a quick buck. |
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