Oleg
Bellsouth Fastaccess
Premium
join:2003-12-08
Birmingham, AL | Old news
Old news. |
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Anonymous_
Anonymous
Premium
join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
clubs: | repost
repost |
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26
 ·WildBlue
| How are they gonna know?
Considering the fact that the AdBlocking is done on your end and not theirs how are they gonna know who is AdBlocking anyway. You can't sue someone if you don't know who to sue.
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Wildblue Pro Pack / Beam 40 / Laredo NOC / Windows Vista Home Premium |
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jbgroup1
Dolemite
Premium
join:2000-05-04
Beltsville, MD | You sue the makers of adblocking software. |
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tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
 ·Hollis Hosting
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·Fairpoint Communic..
| Individual vs Business
Legality depends on who is doing it.
If some intermediary, such as and ISP, modifies copyrighted material I can certainly see how they might be guilty of infringement.
One the other hand I don't see how individual use, customizing pages in a manner of their choosing could possibly infringe.
This issue is much the same as Digital Rights Management. Rather then figure out business models that are win win for both owner and patron copyright owners are trying to use legal and technical measures to force people to do something they do not want to do.
We watch very little commercial TV or Radio in our family because of the intrusive nature of commercials. I find it is not worth it, the price is too high.
/Tom |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
 ·Comcast
| reply to Siryak
Re: How are they gonna know?
Here, one of the ways I have to kill ads is with my firewall.
It denies the ad server connection.
If the connection is denied, they may see it.
If the connection is made, but no data is transferred(images/flash/???), they may see that.
Do I care? HELL NO!
This is MY computer!
*I* pay for the bandwidth and *I* say what gets sent across my connection.
*I* determin what gets displayed on *MY* screen!
Sue me? Ha Ha! Byte Me!
They no likey? Tough shitsky!   
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ztmike
Mark for moderation
Premium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
·Comcast
| hm
So what if they DO ban the software for users to download..You will still have people with older versions using the software.
Most adblock programs are made by users themselfs..it would be like going after p2p users one would pop up after the next. |
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jjsk8r85
join:2005-02-17
Belleville, MI | reply to Siryak
Re: How are they gonna know?
they can see in their logs what IPs are and aren't being served the advertisements. your browser actually requests them when you go to pages with ads, and if it's not requesting them (ad blockers) they can see it. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to ztmike
Re: hm
said by ztmike  :So what if they DO ban the software for users to download..You will still have people with older versions using the software. Most adblock programs are made by users themselfs..it would be like going after p2p users one would pop up after the next. Don't trip!
Most browsers themselves have Blacklists(mine do)...
Just right click the ad, get the server's address, and paste it into the Blacklist.
Also...
Got Hosts File?
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Mercurybird
Premium
join:2004-06-24
Hooks, TX
·Allegiance Communi..
·CableOne
| Who cares?!
Have you ever turned the TV when a commercial comes on?
You blocked the ad from displaying on your set. Prepare to be sued. No?
Then how is blocking it on your monitor illegal?
All we have to do here to justify ad blocking's legality is establish a precedent for blocking anything that you do not want to see, that someone else has a right to show you. That should be easy enough for a thoughtful person.
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to tschmidt
Re: Individual vs Business
I agree, use of ad-blocking software is not contrary to any existing principles of law. Some new theory could be introduced by statute or court decision, but it would be wrong in terms of traditional copyright law.
By putting up a website you offer copies of your content to the public. A "terms of service" notice purporting to impose a contract has no effect unless you require visitors to indicate agreement as a condition of letting them see the pages.
Then once they've retrieved the pages, they're entitled to do whatever they want with them, as long as they don't republish without permission. To understand this, consider buying a magazine, or receiving one for free: the publisher still has a copyright on the intangible content, but the particular copy of the content is now your property, and you're within your rights to cut out pictures if you want to, or throw away those subscription cards.
Also, note that a web page is only a text file with (a) text for humans to read (b) html formatting and (c) scripts and links that instruct the browser to retrieve other files or take other actions. It would be absurd to pretend that by downloading this hunk of text you somehow take on an obligation to make your browser follow the instructions in it and retrieve other files. If you tell your browser not to retrieve certain things you haven't altered the html in any way by doing so. |
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seaquake
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-23
Millersville, MD
clubs: 
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Mercurybird
Re: Who cares?!
said by Mercurybird :Have you ever turned the TV when a commercial comes on? You blocked the ad from displaying on your set. Prepare to be sued. No? I was thinking the same thing. I guess they'll go after remote controls next.
I use adblock plus and a custom hosts file from Mike's Adblocking host site (»everythingisnt.com/hosts.html). Even without the ad blocking software, the host file does wonders, redirecting common ad server addresses to 127.0.0.1. |
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | WTF
Only in America!  |
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old_wiz_60
join:2005-06-03
Bedford, MA | it used to be less of an issue
It used to be that ads were not so obnoxious; but now when they are enormous, flash horrible colors, and play awful music then it's time to block the. I only started blocking ads when they got out of hand. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| reply to Mercurybird
Re: Who cares?!
Commercial Skip! ONOES!!!1 |
Guess what it has on the remote...
Blocking an ad on a site? DUH!
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Mactron
el camino Real
Premium
join:2001-12-16
CM94sv
| Just a thought...
Maybe if the Ads weren't obtrusive and annoying folks wouldn't block them...
Hmmm, Adblock, 30 second skip, all for the same purpose. Avoiding obtrusive and annoying advertisers. And they still don't get it.
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NJxxxJon
something good. or your mom.
Premium
join:2005-10-22
00000 | [ the annoying sound ]
"HI! YOU HAVE JUST BEEN SELECTED TO WIN 3 FREE IPODS!" [that damn voice shockwave crap when my speakers are turned up]
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exocet_cm
In memory of dadkins
Premium
join:2003-03-23
New Orleans, LA
clubs: |  I Won't Watch!
And you can't make me. PERIOD! |
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AB
Premium
join:2006-04-04
Leesburg, VA
| reply to dadkins
Re: Who cares?!
said by dadkins :I still have and use a VCR(yeah a VCR!). Guess what it has on the remote... Blocking an ad on a site? DUH! I recommend you go ahead and destroy all equipment, then turn yourself in to the local authorities, Dave.
It'll go much easier on you that way . . . .
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james
join:2001-02-26
antarctica
| Obvious solution:
The obvious solution is stated in the article: Stop making such obnoxious ads. No more flash ads, no more pop-ups/pop unders/pop-whatevers. As far as I know, it would be impossible for a program to block a simple image, hosted by the site itself placed within an article or webpage just like any other picture in the site would be. For example, you could replace your site logo with the normal logo, but "sponsored by: so and so". The only way someone could block that is by disabling images totally, since it would be hosted with all the other images on your site.
Just like spam, ads on sites are ignored and vilified for a reason: A few greedy individuals abused and abused the technology until we couldnt take it anymore. |
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