S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | I wonder
If Comcast will have the brains enough to cross reference whom are business clients and whom are home users in order not to cut off vital VPNs?
Is it who or whom?
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dentman42
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH | DOS?
Sandvine forges a packet to cause a dropped connection? Sounds dangerously close to a Denial of Service attack to me. |
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quatrix
Premium
join:2005-02-11
Davie, FL | Solutions?
"Funchords continues to dissect Comcast's efforts, and has since come up with some solutions."
SOLUTIONS. Good one. Just like radar detectors are a "solution" to police trying to enforce the law. |
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ | You know, there ARE legitimate uses of BitTorrent. |
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jester121
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | reply to S_engineer
Re: I wonder
Who. |
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reelbigfish
join:2002-06-06
Boston, MA
 ·Comcast
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| VPNs are important!
I work at a job that requires me to be on call. I'm sure as heck not going to take the train or drive to the office at 3am on Saturday, so I VPN in from home. If Comcast starts blocking VPNs I will have to switch to Verizon DSL. Even though it is slower, I need to be able to connected to my VPN or I would have to go to the office at all hours of the night. If I worked out of my home and my work paid for the connection I would get a Comcast business line or a Verizon DSL line. However, for someone using it occasionally, I hope something like this doesn't happen. I can see limiting traffic to a particular speed, but purposely killing connections is just not acceptable. |
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exocet_cm
In memory of dadkins
Premium
join:2003-03-23
New Orleans, LA
clubs:  
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|  If my ISP killed VPN traffic
I would ditch them as fast as customer sales would pick up the telephone.
I rely HEAVILY on VPN traffic when I'm away from my apartment. EVERY connection I initiate tunnels through my VPN. Just cause 
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vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA | reply to quatrix
Re: Solutions?
Yes, just like that. So? |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs:
| I think it's safe to say that we can now officially....
take this issue to the same level as the "capping" issue.
And, by that ..I mean ...Let's have BBR just continually rip this company to shreds for taking steps to preserve the integrity of their network for those of us who do NOT abuse it.
Heck, why not just post the "solutions" for how people can even get around this and continue on with their ever loving ways of soaking up so much bandwidth that there's simply none left for the rest of us to use and enjoy.
Oh.Wait. That's exactly what this story now does.
Silly me for thinking that is what would come next.
Well, allow me this post to post my opposing view.
As a comcast customer.
Dear Comcast..
Keep right on doing whatever it is you're doing.
We love you for it.
Some of us are of the belief that you give us a tremendous amount of value for our money. And even believe that 300 gigs per month is still a WHOLE lot of data..and those who seek to use their connection more than that really should
a)cough up the money for a business class connection or
b) get a secondary line to split your use between the two services.
Ladies and Gents..Comcast does not owe us the world for 42.95 per month. Nor do they owe the abusers an unlimited license to take whatever it is they want..at whatever cost it is to comcast..in order to satisfy their own demands.
You see...the problem with that..is that SOMEONE is going to pay anyway..and who it will be will be YOU..and I..
those who do use our connections for very reasonable and then some...downloading and uploading.
Comcast is VERY fair when it comes to their limits..
and those limits are in place for the benefit of us all..not the detriment to us all.
Comcast should NOT be engaged in the business of allowing the kinds of copyright stealing abusers who exist out there to seed an entire p2p network. And, for this website..BBR..to post "solutions" and "workarounds" to that is really..just flat out wrong.
And, you elevate yourself to a much LOWER level..IMHO.
Listen. I'm not against people connecting to work..nor even using their connections..a LOT.
And Comcast does allow for that.
I'm always using my connection. It's my right arm...and it's always there to serve me..no problems..no questions asked.
What that tells me is that the people who ARE having problems are by far..exceeding EVERY reasonable boundary there is.
And quite frankly..for BBR to be aiding that kind of behavior..and worse yet..to be presenting Comcast in an unfavorable and negative light because of it..almost non stop these days..
Is really...
Just plain..
Flat out...
Wrong.
Thank you for allowing me my op Ed piece.
~Rick
Satisfied Comcast Customer
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NGOwner
join:2000-11-21
Leawood, KS | Bravo.
[NG]Owner |
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telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA | reply to quatrix
Re: Solutions?
Who said anything about impacting VPNs? Stop the FUD |
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telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA | reply to reelbigfish
Re: VPNs are important!
No VPN issues... This is FUD |
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swintec
Premium
join:2003-12-19
Alfred, ME
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·VoicePulse
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Rick
Re: I think it's safe to say that we can now officially....
You didnt tell us to what you think is the acceptable limit. Is it a set number of GB's? Is it only if we use our connections the same way you do? Once you provide us with a number or limit, how did you arrive at that limit? What is it based on?
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to TScheisskopf
Re: Solutions?
said by TScheisskopf  :You know, there ARE legitimate uses of BitTorrent. as far as comcast is concerned, so what.
comcast and others are throttling bittorrent for two reasons:
1. they can get away with it because bittorrent has been so vilified by the content industry, that anyone that supports using bittorrent MUST be a pirate - this doesn't cause a big stink in the main stream media because they are battling pirates, not violating network neutrality; they also get away with it because there is so little competition in the U.S., pissed off customers have no other ISPs to go to
2. bittorrent uses bandwidth and by throttling one of the primary applications using that bandwidth they reduce bandwidth demands on their system |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | reply to telcolackey
Re: VPNs are important!
i was just using VPN a few days ago, so unless they just started blocking VPN in my area, no problems here. |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
·Comcast
| reply to Rick
Re: I think it's safe to say that we can now officially....
ok you don't like it feel free to cancel your account here.
I use the connection to vpn into multiple servers at work. Does that make me a hog ? after all it is 30 gigs a month I use.
I do feel they owe me something and it's not the world. They owe me the service I pay for. Just like I owe them for the services they provide.
They refuse to spend money upgrading while making record profits. That to me is the bastion of greed. You know what, broadband is getting more intensive every day, site sizes are growing peoples need for bandwidth is growing. These are things that comcast has to fix. Because they squeeze people for cash and some don't use their cable more then dial up doesn't mean the rest of us should do the same.
If comcast wants those of us who use our connections to leave then just flat out say it. Don't pull this traffic shaping shit.
They are making record profits and don't want to pour money into the system because they are feeding the greed of investors. Well get down from the ivory tower there buddy and realize as a customer we deserve decent service for what we pay. This isn't the middle east where they run an entire isp off a t-1.
The problem with a monopoly is they are free to abuse people and when they do some people take it as gospel. Which shows how closed minded people are.
They are running out of bandwidth at the node. If this happens in a business network I work on , we are ordered to find the cause and expand where we have to so it never happens again. Not start telling users they can't use certain applications because they use to much bandwidth. We don't forge traffic. That is borderline criminal. And they get by on "We own the network so we can do what we please." Sure go start pumping out porn on it then.
Take other measures , spam , botnets , trojan spewing website hosts , and app pumping warez bots. Do some real work on the issue not just listen to what the salesman tells you.
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kcblack
Premium
join:2000-09-11
Chicago, IL
·RCN CABLE
| wouldn't forging packets be a violation of the ECPA?
Essentially you are interfering with communication and thats a no-no if I understand the act correctly since they are not law-enforcement? (or the government)
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
1 edit | reply to telcolackey
Re: Solutions?
said by telcolackey :Who said anything about impacting VPNs? Stop the FUD Did you even READ the summary at the top of the page. In case you missed it, I'll highlight the key part:
quote:
The question now becomes whether this evolves into a game of cat and mouse now familiar to subscribers of Canadian cable operator Rogers, who took traffic shaping to an entirely new level by using deep packet inspection to strangle all VPN and encrypted traffic in order to thwart such workarounds.
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs:
| reply to swintec
Re: I think it's safe to say that we can now officially....
said by swintec :You didnt tell us to what you think is the acceptable limit. Is it a set number of GB's? Is it only if we use our connections the same way you do? Once you provide us with a number or limit, how did you arrive at that limit? What is it based on? You raise a very important question. And, I'll answer it both in terms of how I see it..and, how I think that comcast see's it. (although i'm certainly not here to speak for them).
Comcast..doesn't..and shouldn't have limits. At least in terms of putting a set number on both the amount of time someone can use the connection, and specifying exactly how much someone can download or upload.
Their TOS clearly defines this issue as being this.
If someone is using..or abusing..as the case may be..the network to such an extent that it starts to cause problems..then they reserve the right to take action.
I honestly don't think they want to have limits. They don't want to constrain we users in not allowing us the occassional large download..or even many of them for that matter. You really do need to consider how much data 300 gigs per month is. That is a WHOLE LOT of data.
And that appears to be the level that some start running into trouble at.
The point is..you have to believe that those people ARE starting to impact their neighbors connections.
Imagine..the guy next door on this shared type of network doing that 24/7. YOU..would be the one on here in the forums complaining how slow YOUR connection was..because of them.
That..IMHO..is what Comcast is out to police. For the benefit of us all who want to reasonably use this network.
And, reasonably doesn't need to involve a set limit.
Reasonably can be..sometimes I might need 20 gigs a month..and other times it might be 100gigs.
That's how reasonable people use a service.
Again..if someone is engaged in activity that has them needing to download 500 gigs of data a month..more power to them. But what they REALLY should then do is realize that this residential service is not here to fully allow for that..and what they need to do is to have either a backup dsl line..or move into a business tier.
This is not about denying anyone anything. It's about keeping the service workable and good for everyone.
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Vathral
Premium
join:2002-08-26
New York, NY
clubs: | reply to Rick
If all customers thought like you, they would surely abuse the hell out of the customers.
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