halfband
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join:2002-06-01
Huntsville, AL
| What is stopping compatition
There is a massive shift in telecom to fiber (like fios) and high bandwidth hybrid fiber/coax systems (like cable). What is stopping some of the clecs from putting in fiber in areas that do not have existing fiber plants and beating the Incumbents to the punch?
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jsimmons
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-24
Falls Church, VA
| Probably $$$ first, and access to rights of way second. Verizon's build-out of the FIOS plant is costing Billions - yes thats with a capital "B", and they already own/maintain rights of way. And even so, the stockholders weren't too thrilled about the massive investment as it hits the bottom line pretty hard in the short term. Longer term - its probably a good move.
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vz sucks
@myvzw.com
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| VZ blows, however on this issue I agree with them
It's time for the moochers to stop mooching and build their own networks be it fiber, wireless, or whatever. Don't give me crap about the barriers of entry being to high, rights of way issues, etc, etc, etc. Money makes the world go 'round. If you can't afford the start up costs then you are SOL!
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PhoenixDown
-- Wants FIOS
Premium
join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
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| Thats easy to say when the incumbent telco was given the majority of their rights of way back when they were a monopoly.
But your right... that shouldn't be an issue.
What is an issue is the incumbent telco and cable providers teaming up to effectively prevent competition from entering thier markets and there are numerous front page articles here at DSLR about just that.
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| Careful
If Vz wins all they have to do is raise their prices until they can undercut all dsl competition. It's how the telco's killed mom and pop ISP's when they wanted to migrate to DSL. Completely locked us out and we all went out of business.
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dcurrey
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join:2004-06-29
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Re: VZ blows, however on this issue I agree with them
Not practical. If you have 10 companies offering service you will need 10 sets of lines on poles. 10 times the ground is going to have to be dug up. 10 more chances something else is going to get cut unexpectedly.
This is like saying UPS and Fedex have to build and maintain there own roadways. Can't use the current roads they are for the USPS.
Underlying infrastructure needs to be removed from private hands and made public. This is they only way true competition will happen. |
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halfband
Premium
join:2002-06-01
Huntsville, AL
| said by dcurrey :Not practical. If you have 10 companies offering service you will need 10 sets of lines on poles. But in this case there are many areas with "zero" fiber lines on the poll. This way these small companies are the first one there. They are the ones that can choose to lease out the lines or deny access to competitors. I am not talking about overbuilding areas that already have fiber.
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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| reply to vz sucks
said by vz sucks :
It's time for the moochers to stop mooching and build their own networks be it fiber, wireless, or whatever. Don't give me crap about the barriers of entry being to high, rights of way issues, etc, etc, etc. Money makes the world go 'round. If you can't afford the start up costs then you are SOL!
END THE FREE RIDE.
Be careful what you ask for. You might just get it and live to regret it.
Anyone remember back in the .COM boom of the late 1990's how companies were tearing up streets all over the place to lay down fiber? Atlanta was a huge mess with contractors tripping over each other tearing up streets and there was nothing the city could do to stop them due to Federal rules.
And wouldn't it look lovely to have a huge overhead rats nest of wires like some third world country or as wiring looked in the United States back in the early 1900's in many cities? Telco's were given a monopoly back then to limit the number of competitors and companies stringing wires. |
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DufiefData
join:2006-06-13
Gaithersburg, MD | So, let a group of competitors form a consortium to build out a joint infrastructure over which they will all compete. It will reduce the capital expenditure incumbent upon each individual company. |
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bmn
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| Okay Verizon...
You want to further gut linesharing, fine... No long distance services can be offered by you any more.
Can't play by the rules, you should not benefit from them either.
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO | reply to DufiefData
Re: VZ blows, however on this issue I agree with them
Your right so lets take this a step further and simply build one nationwide network that services every person/place that any company that wants to lease those lines to provide a service can do so to reach any customer anywhere. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to bmn
Re: Okay Verizon...
Long distance is free now anyway... Why would they care about that? |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
| reply to halfband
Re: VZ blows, however on this issue I agree with them
said by halfband :But in this case there are many areas with "zero" fiber lines on the poll. This way these small companies are the first one there. They are the ones that can choose to lease out the lines or deny access to competitors. I am not talking about overbuilding areas that already have fiber. Yes, excellent business plan! The startup, who has little capital should really go to the places that everyone else has deemed unprofitable, even with their vast amounts of available cash.
Would you put your money in that? |
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DigitalXeron
There is a lack of sanity
join:2003-12-17
Hamilton, ON
| Hm...
It appears as if alot of people here don't see how business works and think the CLECs have the right to use the ILEC's services for a "reduced rate"...
The CLECs expect their competitior, the ILECs to serve them with the ILECs own networks and the CLECs act like it's their networks as well and do nothing to maintain them.
When was the last time you saw a CLEC van rolling repairing the phone lines? I wager rarely to never, that's because the CLECs do barely nothing other than resell and squat equipment in ILEC datacenters, and the ILECs are getting tired of giving "cheap rides" to CLEC customers.
Note: I am NOT an ILEC employee, I just know how businesses operate, and any business doesn't want to lose profit, especially if their competitor is taking advantage of them
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bmn
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
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Re: Okay Verizon...
Long distance is free now anyway... Why would they care about that? Not entirely... There are still long distance providers out there. Its not free, just incredibly cheap.
Also, if you take away the ILECS ability to offer long distance, they loose the ability to sell services with long distance built into them.
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Don't most of the ILECS have a VOIP service now anyway however? |
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bmn
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus | Yes, but most customers aren't using it... |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Right, but if they weren't "allowed" to offer a POTS long distance, they could just switch all their customers over to their VOIP service and give it away for free... |
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