johndoe303
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Boca Raton, FL | Out with the old and in with the new.
The subject says it all. 
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TKJunkMail
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|  Wow, a reporter with a story already slanted the way they want, and then using selected quotes to make their point. Will wonders never cease.
That is std operating procedure for the press. I suspect we rarely get unvarnished facts and mostly get the slant the reporter/editor is looking for.
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ShootToThril
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2 edits | For Crying out loud!
If they deployed the super advanced FIOS network, couldn't they just let people pay for a 3mbps connection over that fios connection instead of thinking "Oh... we need copper for that". I mean this new technology from space can't be provisioned to lower speeds???... And for that matter, would phone service not work over FIOS, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't POTS used for phone service. |
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dvd536
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| said by ShootToThril  :If they deployed the super advanced FIOS network, couldn't they just let people pay for a 3mbps connection over that fios connection instead of thinking "Oh... we need copper for that". I mean this new technology from space can't be provisioned to lower speeds???... And for that matter, would phone service not work over FIOS. Can't do POTS over fibre, thats what this is all about. POTS which can also do lineshare DSL.
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
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| 80% as I recall?
When my FIOS got put in... the techs originally said (2004) that when about 80% of a given "town" gets on FIOS they would be able to yank the copper down off the poles.. which would kind of dictate a "market success" circa 2004.. but who knows if that number changed.. Verizon has in the past made it quite clear that their intention (2004-2007) is for FIOS to be a ONE WAY TICKET to Fiber. When the light of day is shined upon the subject, they will use 80% as the fall back position and try to look as if they'll do whatever you want.. leave it, take it down, put it back etc..
However, YMMV (your mileage may vary) given the random Verizon tech assigned to the job, etc. It seems to PAY for VZ to NOT piss off customers in the Cablevision (primarily long island) footprint, as they do have another decent option. |
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1 edit | CLEC telephone service
For arguments sake, what if you wanted to switch to a non-voip clec for local services - would you be able if the copper facilities were no longer in place? (ie: MCI, AT&T, etc)
Most of the concern I hear and read about is over DSL which runs over the copper lines.
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Crap Journalism
To learn about the laying sacks of crap our news services are one only has to look at the coverage of the war in Iraq. When is the last time you have heard about the roads, schools, hospitals, outpatient clinics, etc, that our troops in Iraq have built, or how the Iraqi people really think about al Ameriki tribe, the American Tribe. You instantly hear about so called civilian deaths at the hands of American soldiers. The press gloats over the deaths of American service men and women, but we never hear the fact terrorists in Iraq are being killed by the score, and you never hear about the utter evil of al Qaeda such as this;
"At first, he said, they [Al Qaeda] would only target Shia, but over time the new al Qaeda directed attacks against Sunni, and then anyone who thought differently. The official reported that on a couple of occasions in Baqubah, al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said, who was about 11 years old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man’s words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked Wallach, “What did he say?” Wallach said that at these luncheons, the families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served the boy to his family."
( »www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/baq···2007.htm )
If our press will slant the news from Iraq to make our Soldiers look like the NAZI SS, and Al Qaeda as freedom fighters what chance does any thing else have to be reported truthfully.
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I believe that Verizon has to pay for connection on the poles, which is probably why they want it off the poles. |
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NOCMan
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| Get rid of the copper and change the fiber rules
The FCC should allow Verizon to remove the copper lines, however they must allow any home previously served by copper converted to fiber with copper removed to have access grated on the line to CLEC's.
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TKJunkMail
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| said by NOCMan :The FCC should allow Verizon to remove the copper lines, however they must allow any home previously served by copper converted to fiber with copper removed to have access grated on the line to CLEC's. Well that isn't the deal they got from Congress and the FCC to encourage them to build out fiber systems. The deal was that if they put fiber in they get to tell the CLECs to go to hell.
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eherot
join:2006-09-03
Cambridge, MA
| Yeah but...."Required??"
I'm not under any delusions here about the usefulness of copper phone lines. I know that they're inferior to fiber in every measurable respect. I also agree that, all things being equal, fiber infrastructure should completely replace copper infrastructure.
What gets me here is that Verizon has made it a *requirement* of getting fiber installed. It seems to me that there is exactly one reason why they're interested in taking down the copper lines, and that's regulation. Verizon enjoys far more monopolistic ownership over the fiber than the copper, so it seems to me that it would be in their best interest to get rid of as much copper as possible, as quickly as possible.
Given that copper is currently the ONLY platform on which the government mandates that the little guys be allowed to compete, I'm extremely suspicious of any deliberate attempts to diminish its usefulness.
Of course the right thing to do here would be to make the same mandate for fiber optics and other next generation distribution systems, but until that happens I think Verizon needs to leave the copper alone. |
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Ream0
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...In Verizon, or the AP shit News service! VeriZon is spending too much money for a handful of customers. They should file for chapter 11 now and get it over with! BTW,the funds from the dubious "long distance charge" are being funneled into FIOS. That shows they don't have the resources to upgrade their outdated telegraph system. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | reply to eherot
Re: Yeah but...."Required??"
"litte guys compete" ?
You're the reason there's still modems in pc's. And the whole competition argument is flying out the window with this sitting congress! |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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Re: Out with the old and in with the new.
What happens if a new home or business is built and they order service from a CLec? I don't think they refuse service in that case. I do believe that the CLec is charged a small Install fee for the drop.
Is there anything that says you can't order POTS from verizon and then switch to a Clec?
Wouldn't this be the same case if the copper drop is removed? |
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said by johndoe303 :
The subject says it all.
i couldnt have said it better. goodbye copper, let the light shine through via fiber.
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Michieru2
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Miami, FL | reply to TKJunkMail
Who is the original reporter's name?
It would be good to keep the bastard under the bullshit list.
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pcnetworx1
join:2005-09-21
Bethel Park, PA
1 edit | reply to dvd536
Re: For Crying out loud!
said by dvd536 : Can't do POTS over fibre. Can't do LINE POWERED POTS over fibre. Not "can't do POTS." |
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ColorBASIC
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1 edit | The AP making sh!t up?
Say it ain't so 
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Often a story is envisioned ahead of time, its direction, the endpoint, are set. And sometimes journalists mold quotes to fit the story, even if it completely nullifies the point the quoted was making.
Exactomundo. However major news outlets fabricating stories is noTHing new. |
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pcnetworx1
join:2005-09-21
Bethel Park, PA | reply to Ream0
Re: I have No FAITH
Source? |
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Re: Get rid of the copper and change the fiber rules
said by TKJunkMail :Well that isn't the deal they got from Congress and the FCC to encourage them to build out fiber systems. The deal was that if they put fiber in they get to tell the CLECs to go to hell. Anyone who believes that deal to be permanent is going to have a rude awakening in a few years. Congress certainly is not going to like being responsible for kill thousands of smaller and better ISPs and for sticking consumers with less choice and an even less competitive marketplace. Once the fibre is up, they will open it up again (if they have the interests of their constituents in mind).
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