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this would put quite the snag in telco video roll-out plans. seems only fair though. if telco isn't coming to town anytime soon, cities can start muni systems. |
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| said by morbo  :this would put quite the snag in telco video roll-out plans. seems only fair though. if telco isn't coming to town anytime soon, cities can start muni systems. And quite the snag in providing competition to cable providers. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face.
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| it wouldnt snag competition at all, if cable for exmaple saw qwest was really strong in one area and they had it neglected oddds are they would start to apply pressure to that area to take customers away from Qwest.
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uh, no. if telco isn't coming to town and they have to disclose that information, then how is starting a muni system cutting off their nose? telco isn't coming! muni is a competition to cableco. competition is good, right? |
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Re: this "demand to know" issue should spread
said by TKJunkMail :And quite the snag in providing competition to cable providers. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face. Well, the telcos moaned and hollered for these changes, and now they have to live with the FCC order's ambiguities. This one-size-fits-all-not-really approach is one of the reasons the FCC (until now) has kept out of the local franchise arena.
I would think you of all people would hate unelected bureaucrats in D.C. telling folks how to run things in Hometown, USA. As the Wikipedia entry for the 10th Amendment says:
"The Amendment, which makes explicit the idea that the federal government is limited only to the powers it is granted in the Constitution, is generally recognized to be a truism."
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said by morbo :uh, no. if telco isn't coming to town and they have to disclose that information, then how is starting a muni system cutting off their nose? telco isn't coming! muni is a competition to cableco. competition is good, right? Except some people tend to think that once the government has given up something (like internet, telephone, etc), then they should not ever be allowed back in, no matter what the level or what the reason or what the majority of the tax payers (well, we all know that the 'majority' is 51% of the 10% who bother to vote) want. And they pay good money to 'law makers' to ensure that muni's can not carry out the will of the local people.
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said by TKJunkMail :They are cutting off their nose to spite their face. Not as far as they're concerned. They're simply choosing to discourage telcos from coming in, cherry-picking, and offering service to only a portion of their citizens. The towns decided that such a development would be worse than no telco TV at all. IMHO it's a reasonable position. As representatives of all their citizens, they have an obligation to look out for all of them, when granting certain permissions to private firms to utility the right-of-way and other public resources. |
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is that the cable providers are already required to supply buildout plans to cities, as well as providing subscriber numbers and households passed information. |
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Re: this "demand to know" issue should spread
Or they could just enter the market on a level playing field to the cable cos and be required to do a full buildout (like the cable cos must do). |
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| New Jersey has a state wide franchise law.
What has that done for New Jersey?
Just keep it up. You all deserve what you will get. |
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| Yea, and Massachusetts and Washington don't have statewide franchising and they're doing just fine on your chart.
Your point?
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Re: this "demand to know" issue should spread
Its not about cable at all. its that they want to be able to cherrypick which areas they'll deploy in.
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Re: New Jersey has a state wide franchise law.
said by jslik :Your point? My point is New Jersey is number one because of FiOS. Do I really have to spell it out Mr. Comcast Rocks.
Do you know what the secret limit is before Comcast sends THE letter. |
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So? Doesn't mean its related so please quit posting that graph like its proof that statewide franchises bring broadband bliss.
We deserve what we get?
Where's Texas in that list? We were one of the first to pass a state franchise (not counting Connecticut's failed DPUC in 1996) but we're nowhere near the top. A lot of good its done for us so far.... so thanks a lot AT&T.
And New Jersey only signed their state franchise in mid 2006. You seriously think that in less than 12 months they've become the #1 broadband state because of that bill.
But hey... what does a state-wide franchise for video services have to do with internet speeds?
Government has nothing to do with it. The more they keep messing around the worst its going to get. |
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| said by kpfx :good its done for us so far.... so thanks a lot AT&T. And New Jersey only signed their state franchise in mid 2006. You seriously think that in less than 12 months they've become the #1 broadband state because of that bill. Actually the state wide franchise has been in effect for only 5 months. In that time I have seen FiOS deployment increase 10 fold. I'm sorry if New Jersey in number. No I'm not we deserve it.
In about 1 and 1/2 years the world will stand slacked jawed in awe of New Jersey's network. |
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said by batterup : My point is New Jersey is number one because of FiOS. Do I really have to spell it out Mr. Comcast Rocks. Do you know what the secret limit is before Comcast sends THE letter. Given a choice to be (barely) first in an average speed test vs. second (or fourth) and keeping local control, second would be fine.
Keep in mind the regulatory scheme you have (or lack thereof) you'll be stuck with for decades. I don't think that's worth ceding local control for a few months' faster deployment.
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| said by jslik :Given a choice to be (barely) first in an average speed test vs. second (or fourth) and keeping local control, second would be fine. Once the CATV is granted a franchise local control is down the crapper. Just keep going the way you are going. Keep an eye on New Jersey, New Jersey all action no B.S. speculation.
What a surprise, another post form Comcast. You can't fool all of the people all of the time. How many letters did you send out today? |
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Where's Texas in that list? We were one of the first to pass a state franchise (not counting Connecticut's failed DPUC in 1996) but we're nowhere near the top.
In all fairness, building out New Jersey and building out Texas are two COMPLETELY different things... |
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said by batterup :Once the CATV is granted a franchise local control is down the crapper. Just keep going the way you are going. Keep an eye on New Jersey, New Jersey all action no B.S. speculation. What a surprise, another post form Comcast. You can't fool all of the people all of the time. How many letters did you send out today? First, just because your town can't manage its right-of-way is no reason to want to take any other towns' rights.
Second, just because I'm using Comcast means nothing. Comcast was the best value for me at this time, so I don't know why you keep bringing it up. FIOS is impressive, and if it were available (I'm not in a Verizon area) I'd probably get it.
If local franchising is so bad, why has Verizon said repeatedly that it's not a problem?
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