scrummie02
Bentley
join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA
1 edit | I'll get it if I can
I've dealt with Covad before and they're good. Good customer service and no down time. I don't foresee FIOS for at least another year... |
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sbhusted
join:2000-05-14
Bethlehem, PA
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| I'm still with COVAD. I'm at the 'edge' of 3.0/768 service in terms of distance, so going faster isn't really an option for me.
But, I gladly pay more for my COVAD DSL because I rarely have to think about it. My connections and pings are almost always great and no downtime to speak of.
Yeah, it's a little pricey but I don't have to worry about a Telco or cable company blocking my ports or telling me how many devices I can or can't have connected.
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WiseOldNerd
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Phoenix, AZ | Is My House on the List?
How do we find out what markets and if we qualify for any part of this?
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koitsu
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Mountain View, CA
| Loop length
That's pretty sad. 4K feet? I only know of one person whose electrical loop length is less than 4K feet here in my city. Everyone elses is at least 8000 (and in my case, almost 13000, even thogh I'm 6000 physical feet from the CO).
Sadly this is one reason why cable wins out. 
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kwayzcat
join:2002-10-22
Chicago, IL
| Will Speakeasy offer this?
Just curious because I have dry 6Mbps/768kbps DSL with Speakeasy on Covad's DLAM's. I'm at about 9k feet from the CO. If Speakeasy offers it I will definitely get it because I don't want Comcast cable and FIOS and U-Verse are a long ways away here on the north side of Chicago.
What are the prequal lengths for the other speeds, IE 8Mbps/1Mbps? |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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2 edits | reply to WiseOldNerd
Re: Is My House on the List?
said by WiseOldNerd  :How do we find out what markets and if we qualify for any part of this? You can call:
»www.covad.com/services/index.html
For broadband questions or orders
800-636-3500 Or check availability at your address here for 6000/768 service. If you qualify for that, you may qualify for the higher speeds mentioned in the story when they make them available:
»https://register.covad.com/registration/···bid=36,5
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ThankYOU
@rcn.com
| Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner
Was going to cut out copper pots from my unit. My unit is right nearby the Central Office (low loop length). Was debating what to do.
The Covad 15/1 hits the spot PERFECTLY. The Covad speed even beats out Time Warner which is 12000/768k on premium.
RCN is 20000/2000 but the company sucks balls and most users arent even seeing close to those speeds.
So Covad 15000/1000 it is, I wanted to thank Covad for listening cause I didn't even think covad would boost their speeds for ADSL2+. Now that it did and it is 15000/1000, this is good enough and gets me off RCN and Time Warner's pipe to boot.
Even if it is a little extra money over RCN and Time Warner.
Perfect timing. Perfect FIOS alternative.
The question here is what happens when FIOS comes out. Does the service stop working? Cause Covad requires 1 year committments generally.
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LBDSL
Lightning Bolt
VIP
join:2002-01-07
Auburn Hills, MI
| reply to WiseOldNerd
Re: Is My House on the List?
said by WiseOldNerd :How do we find out what markets and if we qualify for any part of this? It is not in Phoenix »lbdsl.com/ADSL2
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LBDSL
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join:2002-01-07
Auburn Hills, MI
| reply to kwayzcat
Re: Will Speakeasy offer this?
said by kwayzcat :What are the prequal lengths for the other speeds, IE 8Mbps/1Mbps? 8,000 feet, after that, the ADSL2+ signals drops to similar speeds/distance of ADSL
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justin
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Re: Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner
said by ThankYOU :
The question here is what happens when FIOS comes out. Does the service stop working? Cause Covad requires 1 year committments generally.
Why would it stop when fios rolls out? because verizon might sabotage the copper in the area? |
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LBDSL
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join:2002-01-07
Auburn Hills, MI
| A dry/dedicated copper loop (which will be used for the ADSL2+ loops) has certain requirements. Once the loop is installed, and accepted, the ILEC (verizon) is required to keep that loop in the same or better condition. So even if FIOS is rolled out, and they remove copper in the area, they are required to maintain the dedicated copper loop.
Now, that isn't to say they won't touch it, and could cause issues, but legally speaking, they need to keep, and maintain the copper loop.
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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| reply to koitsu
Re: Loop length
I agree. A lot of people I know can get the AT&T Elite package (which I think is limited to 6500' now) , but that's because AT&T has deployed tons of remote terminals servicing DSL. The one person I know that actually got 6mbps ADSL direct from the CO, *barely* qualified, and for good reason, it barely hung on with a 9db noise margin.
4,000 feet is a really short leash. Glad to hear they're giving it a go though. Competition is always a good thing.
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Re: Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner
"Why would it stop when fios rolls out? because verizon might sabotage the copper in the area?"
I haven't a clue. That is why I am asking. It is an MDU. When FIOS comes out I would want FIOS over DSL at any rate, but it is NOT here yet and won't be for ages.
15000/1000 is a good speed which is the fastest offering on the overall basis considering RCN is OVERSOLD and speeds reached during peak are less than 15MBPS.
As for RCN vs Covad support, Covad can't be any worse than RCN has gotten lately. Covad uses Samsung AceMAP DSLAM's which they installed in the CO here.
The best DSLAM's in the CO which can scale in speed for DSL apparently are the Covad Samsung Acemap since Covad is the only one now doing the 15000/1000 speed over DSL.
Verizon proper doesnt do more than 7Mbps and the price is way too high as well.
So the REAL top speed competitors in my area with their CLAIMED SPEEDS (NOT ACTUAL)
RCN 20000/2000 (FTTB to MDU)
Time Warner 12000/768 (FTTC to MDU)
Covad 15000/1000 (ADSL2+ to MDU over POTS, lower than 2000 feet loop length in my case, service is rated for up to 4k feet)
The thing is RCN is OVERSOLD in my area and the company sucks balls although it has the fiber optics in place as well as CLAIMED top speed which is NOT ACTUAL.
Time Warner's issue is Dick Parsons who made some comments which I resent so much and its speeds are lower and more pricey to boot.
So out of the services at this point in time Covad seems to be the best of the 3. I had no problems with Covad in the past, except for Verizon POTS issues due to long loop length. But at less than 2k to the CO and with copper pots underground (not arial), if the copper is in top shape, then I should NOT be having any issues at all.
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burgermeister
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join:2000-10-23
Utica, MI
| A day late and a dollar short in my case...
Figures this announcement comes out after my WoW service gets connected. I suppose it doesn't matter much as my 1.5/384 Covad service only gets me about 1.0/384 (safe mode). I'd guess I wouldn't do any better with ADSL2+. I doubt any DSL could match Comcast or WoW in my area. Funny thing is that the only DSL available in my area is Covad; AT&T doesn't offer it. Odd, to say the least.
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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Re: Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner
Do you know if they will allow bonding ? Hell Id love to pop for 2 15/1's if they can bond em. Id be happier then hell.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to djrobx
Re: Loop length
I live less than 2 blocks from a VRAD and RT, however, my tract isn't fed off them, so I'm listed at 12,300 line feet.
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Gotcha
@rcn.com
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Re: Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner
By my parents home the copper is in place as well as the Fiber optics.
In fact they still have a line on the copper for emergency blackout purposes even though Fiber optics is available.
The issue here was that its an MDU so I guess that if Fiber was installed it would just be installed as an additonal system in the building.
A question:
If the loop length in the building is under 2k feet and its a highrise MDU with the wiring underground, would you expect that the full 15000/1000 speed will be obtainable?
DSL is a dedicated pipe and should have lower utilization as well on the DSLAM. In my building the vast majority of users are on RCN on an oversold FTTB architecture. Alot less are on Time Warner which just put in a FTTC architecture last year (New node across the street).
Covad put in their AceMap DSLAM also recently in the Central Office here. But when it came out the speed was Earthlink LPV 8/1 and it was a disappointment.
Now that 15000/1000 is available, it makes Covad alot more viable. Being near a CO generally means ALOT better line conditions and a much better overall service.
Do you know which Modem Covad will include for its ADSL2+ service at 15000/1000? I think for Earthlink LPV they were using the Zyxel equipment.
I am disappointed however that FIOS never made it over here yet. |
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batterup
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| reply to justin
said by justin :said by ThankYOU :
The question here is what happens when FIOS comes out. Does the service stop working? Cause Covad requires 1 year committments generally.
Why would it stop when fios rolls out? because verizon might sabotage the copper in the area? Verizon will not maintain copper when fiber is in place. Copper plant is very expensive to maintain and a big reason Verizon is placing fiber.
There are Greenfield developments where no copper phone lines are placed, it is the future of the network. Say goodnight CLECs. |
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LBDSL
Lightning Bolt
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join:2002-01-07
Auburn Hills, MI | reply to BosstonesOwn
Nope, no bonding on ADSL |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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said by LBDSL :A dry/dedicated copper loop (which will be used for the ADSL2+ loops) has certain requirements. It is a voice grade line, that is all Covad pays for. A T-1 data grade copper wire will cost by the foot and will run into hundreds of dollars a month. Sorry no free lunch for leaches. |
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