TKJunkMail
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1 edit |  Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits
Instead of buying an island somewhere, The Pirate Bay should save their money to defend themselves from the inevitable civil and criminal actions headed their way. They may need that money to keep themselves out of jail.
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Chiyo
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clubs: | this is a stunt
Honestly I think they are just doing the "island searches" to gain even more popularity and get people talking about them. |
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tyfjdf4
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It's £750 million pounds not dollars, but it doesn't matter anyway since people wouldn't pay over $1 million for it. Prince has got to be out of his mind for asking so much for a giant floating washing machine. The pirate bay is just getting free marketing since moving their operation on a "micro nation" would make them more vulnerable. |
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karlmarx
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Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits
Let's get this straight. What the pirate bay does IS NOT ILLEGAL. Much to this poster's dismay, the US ISN'T the president of the world. No, Dubyah has ensured that everyone hates us. But, again, what they do isn't illegal, because the **AA's haven't managed to purchase the government like they have in the US. They don't need the money to stay out of jail, because, they are never going TO jail.
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DaSneaky1D
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| Pot calling the kettle black?
Wasn't the whole "no regard or responsibility to IP or copyright" the main selling point a while ago?
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HavenCo
By the same standards, The Pirate Bay are simply facilitators as well.
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Alpine
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Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits
Ah, the rantings of those who don't have the balls to admit they're stealing.
The laws are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. You're taking the work someone else produces for a living and using it without permission or payment. It's morally wrong, regardless of what weak legal "argument" you'd like to run and hide behind.
I admit, I've used software without permission in the past. But at least I also have the guts to admit it's wrong...
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Agent_haito
join:2002-09-20
Winston Salem, NC | reply to tyfjdf4
Re: wrong currency...
anybody who buys this, is an obvious idiot. 750 mill? subtract 749.5 and it would still be overpriced. |
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3 edits | reply to karlmarx
Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits
With such a well though out and rational argument I can't see why more people can't see your side.
Yes the Pirate Bay is not illegal. Eventually the **AA and other international arms of copyright holders will place enough economic pressure on Sweden, or the Ukraine, or wherever the Pirate Bay decides to try to find safe harbor, that laws will be passed and they will be shut down.
Just like a wack-a-mole game, some other torrent sharing site will pop up to take it's place...where I will continue to steal music, software, and movies, and try to justify it by telling myself record companies are evil. |
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Tomek
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Most of the time downloading torrents from the pirate bay is illegal, but often I find it justified. I use it to download TV shows, because I am too lazy to rip them from TV myself so I can watch them when I'm bored.
But I don't justify DVD piracy. After all they are available for reasonable price either in permanent format or temporary PPV or similar.
Music piracy is other story. RIAA charges WAY TOO MUCH for music and I refuse to pay. I also refuse to buy DRM infected songs that I can't play in any device I own. I'm yet to listen to good argument why CDs costs almost as much as DVDs when their production costs are not even close.
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24 | reply to karlmarx
Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits
While the stories surrounding TPB are always entertaining(Thanks Karl!). It astounds me how many international law experts routinely troll these boards. So Marx, how excatly is jurisdiction decided upon in an international distpute? |
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Imsoconfused
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|  Didn't they promote this neverland for this previously
This sure seems to be a turn of events or a changing of opinion. Correct me if I'm wrong here. But didn't they ( the owners / pirates of Sealand ) actually promote their network for just this type of purpose in the past? Aren't these the same people that claimed they wanted to have their own Napster etc? So what is the sudden change of heart do to? And aren't these people in fact breaking many laws anyway? What would it hurt to break a few more. Their sovereignty has been questioned on more than one occasion. Then again they took over their "nation" in a similar manner that other recognized nations gained their land. So maybe they should be seen as the rightful owners of Sealand and not criminals / pirates. Either way they need to make up their mind in regards to file sharing. |
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karlmarx
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Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits
Umm, international law doesn't come into play. The US laws are NOT international laws. The fact that the pirate bay is based overseas, has no physical presence in the US, and is not breaking any laws in THEIR COUNTRY, means the US has no recourse. The only thing the US could try to do is get sweden to change their laws. That, luckily for all of us so called 'pirates', is never going to happen. The swedish people recognize the **AA organizations for the mafioso type thugs they really are, and most certainly won't change their laws to support their tactics.
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Whyunolikeme
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| Didn't they promote this neverland for this previously
This sure seems to be a turn of events or a changing of opinion. Correct me if I'm wrong here. But didn't they ( the owners / pirates of Sealand ) actually promote their network for just this type of purpose in the past? Aren't these the same people that claimed they wanted to have their own Napster etc? So what is the sudden change of heart do to? And aren't these people in fact breaking many laws anyway? What would it hurt to break a few more. Their sovereignty has been questioned on more than one occasion. Then again they took over their "nation" in a similar manner that other recognized nations gained their land. So maybe they should be seen as the rightful owners of Sealand and not criminals / pirates. Either way they need to make up their mind in regards to file sharing.
Um you no like me post why? This site is crazy in a bad way sometimes. |
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marigolds
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Saint Louis, MO | reply to Yauch
Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits
Customary international law?
Followed by treaty.
Precedents are non-binding.
I have no idea what customary international law is for this nature of copyright violation though, but China certainly puts a dent in things. |
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dynodb
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Minneapolis, MN
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The entire idea behind relocating is to avoid inevitable legal issues. What they do may not violate the law, but that can (and likely will) change with the stroke of a pen.
The US entertainment industry has the most to lose, but certainly not the only one with copyrite laws that exist for very good reason. Sweden might be looking the other way now, but the moment their own industries are threatened by pirating, you can bet they'll crack down too.
If you want to "stick it to the man" by downloading copywrited material while wearing your Che Guevera t-shirt in between rants about "Dubya", that's your business... but it's still illegal, and since they exist mostly to facilitate the breaking of the law, I suspect Pirate Bay's days are numbered. |
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dadkins
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1 edit | Please, get it right if you want to preach!
[RANT]
DOWNLOADING whatever isn't a crime, UPLOADING/SHARING a copyrighted file is COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT.
As to the whole stealing argument, If I steal something from ...you, you will no longer have it! I will!
If I copy it, you still have the original so it's not stealing. It's copying! There is a difference.
Welcome to the Digital Age!
Walking into BestBuy and pocketing a CD then walking out with it - Stealing!
Seeing a file online somewhere and copying it - Copying!
While it is wrong to the Copyright holder, it's not stealing!
Ever rip a CD?
Have you then copied it to another device? To another computer?
Is the original still where you had it? I thought so.
Copying!
Now, lets make that connection a bit farther than a 6 foot CAT5... like from your house to my house.
Guess what... the original rip that you made will still be where you left it!
It's just that now I have a COPY of that same file. No stealing was involved.
Here's something that probably will irk a few of you.
I can download files from the mfgrs/distributors, whether they are audio files, video or applications/games.
Is that stealing as well?
I ask you, where do copyrights end?
Should I charge you royalties when you happen to hear music from my collection and send that to the RIAA?
Your ears are stealing something that you didn't pay for!
How about watching a DVD? Do you charge guests to watch a DVD at your house then send that money to the MPAA? I didn't think so!
You bad bad pirates you!
Ever let someone borrow a cassette/VHS/CD/DVD? 
THAT is stealing too! Well, by your definition it is.
Now, WTF is the difference between me handing you a CD/DVD vs me uploading/letting you download it?
Don't give me this "because millions are downloading it" garbage either!
*NEVER* have I ever seen a million people downloading *ANY* file from me! PERIOD!
One - two - ten... perhaps. But not "millions"
*IF* I send you a file, that's the end of that as far as I am concerned. Just like letting you borrow a DVD. BFD... huh?
If YOU send that to 20 of your friends, that's on you!
If that dominoes into thousands(millions) of people ending up with that file, oh well!
*I* sent it to 1(one) person.
We won't get into the compressed files(MP3s/AVIs) vs original quality argument either. They aint the same as originals no matter what y'all have to say!
No way in Hell am I going to be sending/sharing full-on CDs/DVDs. I don't have the upstream for it!
HD DVDs? Blu-ray? Dream on! LMFAO!
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kyramilan
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Pensacola, FL
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Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits
said by unsub  :With such a well though out and rational argument I can't see why more people can't see your side. Yes the Pirate Bay is not illegal. Eventually the **AA and other international arms of copyright holders will place enough economic pressure on Sweden, or the Ukraine, or wherever the Pirate Bay decides to try to find safe harbor, that laws will be passed and they will be shut down. Just like a wack-a-mole game, some other torrent sharing site will pop up to take it's place...where I will continue to steal music, software, and movies, and try to justify it by telling myself record companies are evil. Like your argument. It is amazing how many people hate America in America but doesn't have the kahunas to head to the beloved land of pacifism called France.
International copyright laws do exist. And, I'm sure countries other than the U.S. like to protect their music and movies as well.
I'm sure Interpol has enforcing power too.
When Putin is sick of AllofMP3.com, it'll disappear and the people running it will be off to the gulag.
Hate to say it, even if record companies put NO DRM, people would still steal anyway.
I do think downloading a DVD is stupid when the price is the same at WalMart (or even less sometimes). |
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Trub
join:2002-12-25
Plano, TX | reply to Alpine
Well said !!! |
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kyramilan
join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL
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Re: Please, get it right if you want to preach!
If you'll notice, they don't care about you burning a CD for your friend or even casually downloading something just the uploading part.
The uploading part is what gets you into deep trouble.
However, if you read the Betamax case, the Supreme Court did NOT say building your library by copying from TV was legal.
RIAA and MPAA sleuths are looking for the uploaders who share anything on their PC not the downloaders (most are looking for some song they couldn't find). I'm sure eventually if you download 1 TB of songs/movies a month, you'll attract a lot of attention.
If you speed a little, you probably won't get nailed. If you go 20-30 mph over the speed limit, they'll nail you. |
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