Xantos
join:2006-12-11 | RE
Very Interesting Indeed. Nice Information to have on hand at times. |
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Techman21
join:2005-04-14
Richmond, VA
| Another annoyance
What is annoying about this is that we, the customer, are using a product that is sold to us in a way we wish to use it. Then we are scolded for using what we pay for. It seems many ISPs [read telco/cable] companies are upset over not having a piece of the pie and the usage of bandwidth isn't what they originally anticipated. So in order to retain customers and not have to upgrade equipment they screw with what their customers do with that connection. This is crappy imo. We pay for the service of being connected to the internet with pipes that are supposedly advertised at certain rates, then the companies can't deliver. Its almost a bait and switch scheme except its perfectly legal, however unscrupulous it is done...due to the ToS and its tiny writing of "not guaranteed" "with exception" etc, etc. Eventually as much as we don't want to we need to start dumping these companies for a bit to show we are the customer and they exist because we pay the bills. Shop with your dollars I say.
This really is starting to get annoying. Packet shaping traffic because you don't like it impedes creativity and further development of newer technologies on the internet. Just because they were unforeseen shouldn't make them "bad" or even if they aren't used the in the ways they were intended. Although, I do have to say that I think its a farce to believe BT was intended originally for anything else but sharing music, movies, games, et al. Effectively circumventing the normal P2P routes most Joe's were getting their music. |
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Sweet Witch
Be the flame, not the moth.
Premium,MVM
join:2003-07-15
Gallifrey
 ·Comcast
| We need fairness
I've got no problem with anyone who wants to spend their life downloading, except when it sucks away my bandwidth. Why should we pay the exact same amount and I basically get punished because I don't hog the channel?? If they want to use my bandwidth, then they should either pay part of my bill or give me some cash.
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MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY
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Re: Another annoyance
said by Techman21  :I think its a farce to believe BT was intended originally for anything else but sharing music, movies, games, et al. Effectively circumventing the normal P2P routes most Joe's were getting their music. most definitely "share movies, games et al." but never illegally.
Bram Cohen created bittorent not because he didn't like speeds he was getting using gnutella or edonkey. he never designed it with warez as target users. it just happened to be used for that, but it was never his target.
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MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY
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1 edit | reply to Sweet Witch
Re: We need fairness
or isp should have proper setup where my use does not affect your connection.
instead of trying to cut every corner and do absolute minimum got get the signal.
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Enlightener
join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX | reply to MxxCon
Re: Another annoyance
I call BS on this one. I've read his Manifesto and I don't buy that it was a parody at all.
»bitconjurer.org/a_technological_···nda.html |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to MxxCon
Re: We need fairness
Trying to keep up with bt is alosing battle as it'll grow to consume available space. |
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Annon900
@co.uk
| So who are the providers who are shaping traffic?
Does anyone here want to give the name of there provider, who is currently shaping there traffic?
Here is one Tiscalli, oh and another who Tiscalli provide internet to is Pipex....
Any more out there?
Then we know who to avoid.!!!!! |
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Sweet Witch
Be the flame, not the moth.
Premium,MVM
join:2003-07-15
Gallifrey
·Comcast
| reply to MxxCon
Re: We need fairness
said by MxxCon :
or isp should have proper setup where my use does not affect your connection. instead of trying to cut every corner and do absolute minimum got get the signal.
That would be fine too. I've got a neighbor who spends all day downloading everything he can find (why I don't know because he never has the time to watch any of it) and until they capped him, my 15/2 connection slowed to DSL speeds.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast
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said by Sweet Witch :I've got no problem with anyone who wants to spend their life downloading, except when it sucks away my bandwidth. Why should we pay the exact same amount and I basically get punished because I don't hog the channel?? If they want to use my bandwidth, then they should either pay part of my bill or give me some cash. I agree. But the cable companies aren't overly concerned with download bandwidth. It is the upload bandwidth drain that causes concerns with bittorrent. And before all the "I paid for it and I'll use it" whiners start chiming in, the networks were NEVER designed to support non-stop usage of the upload bandwidth you get with your subscription. If the networks were designed to handle that, most people couldn't afford the monthly bill. Every single cable broadband provider prohibits running servers and the usage of an unmodified bittorrent client breaks that prohibition. So the companies are entirely within their rights to block bittorent.
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Sweet Witch
Be the flame, not the moth.
Premium,MVM
join:2003-07-15
Gallifrey
·Comcast
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said by bogey780 :
Trying to keep up with bt is a losing battle as it'll grow to consume available space.
Do what you want, just don't be so damned greedy and causing others grief along the way. 
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amungus
Premium
join:2004-11-26
America
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Re: Another annoyance
wow, never read that before... interesting.
anyway, bt was initially created to facilitate trading of taped shows, legally. despite what some people think, many bands allow their shows to be recorded, and don't care if the recording is shared.. As long as nobody's SELLING them and trying to make a buck off of what should be TRADED, it's all good. Other bands, however, do wish to SELL their own shows, and often produce a high quality soundboard recording that's been professionally mixed... I've bought a few, and they're well worth the money for FLAC's...
from what I read, he had a friend who was an avid taper and wanted an good way to distribute these sets to people. to share it easily, and not have servers explode under the load of a billion hippies all wanting to download the previous night's set in lossless audio...
so, that's what I heard. A noble cause really, and the technology happened to get picked up by more and more people with less noble ideas in mind for its use... |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
1 edit | reply to Xantos
Re: RE
Did anyone notice that BBR's favorite piñatas - Comcast & AT&T aren't on the list. |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL
1 edit | What no bad mouthing ATT
Oh wait ATT dont Cap you, block or degrade torrents |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
Premium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: We need fairness
said by TKJunkMail :said by Sweet Witch :I've got no problem with anyone who wants to spend their life downloading, except when it sucks away my bandwidth. Why should we pay the exact same amount and I basically get punished because I don't hog the channel?? If they want to use my bandwidth, then they should either pay part of my bill or give me some cash. Every single cable broadband provider prohibits running servers and the usage of an unmodified bittorrent client breaks that prohibition. So the companies are entirely within their rights to block bittorent. I think i read somewhere that there are some providers that dont care if you run servers. And for the TOS regarding servers, those are hardly ever enforced. I mean, how can they tell?
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amungus
Premium
join:2004-11-26
America
clubs:
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"It is the upload bandwidth drain that causes concerns with bittorrent."
That, and a billion connections that keep coming and going from all reaches of the known (and unknown) internet....
IMHO, the use of upload from most home connections isn't the biggest concern... Most cable networks actually CAN handle people using their upload on a fairly regular basis... so can DSL...
If someone uploaded all day to their own website, for instance, it wouldn't be that big of a deal.
If people upload an hour long video to youtube or wherever, it's not that bad...
But, if one sits there and has 100's of connections open and they're constantly switching on and off to various places, the ISP's routers then get a little congested and all that starts affecting other people's traffic. Really, even with 1 or 2 Mbps upload, a user uploading to one place at a time does FAR less damage than a user that is using that bandwidth and having it route to the ends of the earth...
just my 2 cents. not trying to whine that everyone should constantly be juicing the system... |
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thender2
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
3 edits | reply to Sweet Witch
said by Sweet Witch :I've got no problem with anyone who wants to spend their life downloading, except when it sucks away my bandwidth. Why should we pay the exact same amount and I basically get punished because I don't hog the channel?? If they want to use my bandwidth, then they should either pay part of my bill or give me some cash. If you're forced to think of it in those terms, your ISP sucks and oversells too much. OOL comes to mind, they do that like crazy.
It's easy to have the fastest on paper speeds. It's hard to make them useable.
I have neighbors with open WAPs that have at least five people on them.. at any time in the day(before I did him a favor and passworded his wireless), the speeds were 50/100 with 400 ms pings.. after, it was 2000/1500 kbps. He uses the same ISP as me, and I get MORE speed than I pay for.. and it's never slowed down before.
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | The facts are not accurate
That grid said Charter limits the bandwidth of high traffic users. That is absolutely false, and quite the contrary when compared to other cable HSI providers.
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Nightshade
sic semper tyrannis
Premium
join:2002-05-26
Salem, OR | reply to Xantos
Re: RE
This is old information for me since I have been using Azerus for over a year now but it is still useful none the less.
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO | reply to DaSneaky1D
Re: The facts are not accurate
I was just getting ready to post the comment myself. They don't limit bandwidth for high traffic users.
Sounds like some disgruntled person rather than fact. lol |
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