 golfextreme
join:2003-12-03
Fort Wayne, IN
| The way of the future See how this whole thing will benefit corporations? They're trying to make it sound like it's for the good of the country, but who wants to bet that large corporations will start getting a hold of this info and start doing directed advertising to the people. Never mind the shredding of the constitution, this will be great for business. | |
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digital k
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join:2003-12-25
| All joking aside. This has nothing to do with being involved in illegal activities, and everything to do with the thought police and big brother. Why should law abiding citizens be subject to surveillance? Sure, one can claim that you have nothing to fear if you aren't doing anything illegal. But we have everything to fear, because this is another piece of freedom that is being chipped away at. Welcome to 1984, its beginning. | |
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91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT
| Re: All joking aside. An appropriate quote here for the folks that are doing 'nothing wrong':
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals.
Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws."
-- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
 ·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
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·AT&T Southwest
| We need protection from these guys! "Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms," Mueller said in a speech at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Boston.
I agree with him.... maybe ISP's should track the activities of these Government Officials, Politicians and Federal Law Enforcement agents online! We need protection from these terrorists and sexual predators!
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Enough! It's one thing to pass a law forbidding convicted sex offenders from accessing the net. It's another to say "Hey, tag everyone." Once some hackjob gets in and screws with someone's identity, the end is near for civil liberties.
Sorry, but I can't trust Comcast with how they send me "Subscribe Now, Comrade" flyers in Cyrillic! (they do, wtf???)
You think I am going to trust them (all ISPs) and others with tracking my every click (whether virtual, real, someone using my connection...). Look at how AT&T has been dishing out info (in the name of antiterrorism). Have they shown us all the carnage they prevented (I hope they have...).
No. Besides, histroy shows that the only way you catch the criminal is when they screwup, not by harassing all the population.
Why do I smell facism? (sniff...not me!) | |
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thender2
Glamour Profession
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join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY | Terrorism and child porn... Terrorism/child porn is to U.S> government as a key is to a door.
This is disgusting. | |
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Persona
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join:2004-07-07
Gravenhurst, ON | I say go for it! Go for it Bob...
But if you kick down my door for what I do on the internet, then we have a big problem. | |
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short09
join:2006-07-21 | porn.... the feds dont need to know if im surfin for porn | |
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Obliteration
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join:2005-09-18
Somewhere
| I hope they wire tap their own ass and somebody catches them They want no privacy then so be it but FOR ALL. I want their asses wiretapped their PDA's wiretap and I want all the dirt on Washington D.C. politicians. I want to know what websites the Governor visits and what he sends over e-mails to his wife. If I loose my privacy because of some idiotic politician then I want him to loose his privacy.
I don't know how Bush got around to wiretapping us all. This is some sick communist BS spreading all over the US OF A. Privacy, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for all.
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join:2002-01-12
233111
1 edit | Re: I hope they wire tap their own ass and somebody catches them This would work real well "NOT", How are they going to track all the city's that are starting city wide wifi. Not to mention if someone wants to hide what their doing their going to bounce thru proxys or encrypt the data packets. Or worse hack some poor persons pc that haset updated their computers and have a big security hole and do whatever they want on that pc then wipe logs or crash the pc. Might not even have to wipe because most computers now days if they have security holes they been hacked up with botnets and hackers to leave enough isp would take years to trace. I would probably bet money having a bill like this passed is more funded by riaa and mpaa so they can crack down on people who share music and movies. Most terrorist also could use a cell phone and dailup thru it placing a international call to a isp outside of the usa. Being a network guy i can see so many loop holes and backdoors around something like this. Its only going to really hurt the isp with the extra load and costs and us as customers of these isps because I'm sure the costs of them doing this will be passed on to us. My 2 cents | |
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join:2002-01-12
233111 | Re: I hope they wire tap their own ass and somebody catches them lol i didn't vote for either i wrote in kermit the frog because he could do a better job. | |
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join:2006-07-21
| said by Obliteration  :I don't know how Bush got around to wiretapping us all. This is some sick communist BS spreading all over the US OF A. Privacy, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for all thanks to dictator bush the constitution is no longer valid. he called it a "goddam peice of paper" | |
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richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
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join:2001-04-11
Minas Tirith
| This has to be said But I'm getting tired of saying it. Maybe someone will listen. Over a year ago, there was an issue that came up about a law needed [I forget the topic] to stop something because it helped pedophiles and terrorists. I thought about it came to the conclusion that that was BS. The only way pedophiles and terrorists would be involved would only be incidentally. Some LEA didn't like going to judges so they wanted this law passed . The new buzzwords are pedophile/child molester/sexual predator and terrorist/terrorism and these words are used whenever somebody, somewhere wants a law passed that may be controversial, they use these words to distract attention from the real matter.
I was immediately flamed by people that all but said I was a pedophile or terrorist, with links to abused children & 9/11 and the London bombing sites, saying I wanted that to happen again. NO - I don't want that to happen again & these issues have to be addressed but they way they're going about it, by taking away our rights now isn't the way to do it. What I'm getting at is that when people hear the words pedophile/child molester/sexual predator or terrorist/terrorism their gut reaction is to say 'do whatever you have to to stop it' without thinking 'whatever you have to' entails.
said by Tkjunkmail :
Data won't be accessible w/o warrants
... and the requirement that ISPs archive business records for a reasonable time is a long established precedent in the US and everywhere else in the world, hence the EU 2 yr requirement. It will come, so quit whining - and don't do anything illegal over the internet. Better yet don't do anything illegal and you won't have anything to worry about.
HAH!
And if you think that they'll need a warrant to access this data I bet you believe in the tooth fairy, also. A couple years before 9/11 this may have been true, you needed a judges order to get a search warrant or wiretap but not now. Because of the Patriot Act & the Department of Homeland Security, all you need is a 'reasonable suspicion of terrorist activity' and they have almost free reign to whatever they deem necessary. Awe all want to stamp out terrorism, don't we? | |
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stufried
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join:2003-10-13
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| No Way This proposal runs afoul of everything that is American. It is has the making of a police state. Just last week, the US Government passed legislation sanctioning warrantless detention and interrogations. In the US Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, the Bush Administration just won an injunction to continue warantless phone taps. Now they want to track us across the internet. No way.
I read things I don't agree with. I am a liberal democrat, but I listen to right wing Christian stuff to hear the other side. During the Israeli/Lebaneese war, I read Israeli and Lebaneese websites.
The US Supreme Court in ACLU v Reno ruled that the Internet was the most important enhancement to free speech that has taken place since Gutenberg invented movable type. Iran has just crippled its internet for fear of giving its citizenry new ideas, China censors their net, and many countries do the same.
There will be a censoring effect that will take place if I know that my movements can be tracked. We all run way too many programs to remove the nasties that people put on on our machines to stop private industry from tracking us. I don't want to have to think whether I will be profiled as subsversive because I click on english.aljazeerah.net or even www.aclu.org.
As the late Justice Frankfurter observed, the US system of government was premised on the notion that we do not presume the good faith of government officials. Given the way that the Bush Administration is suing all around the country to stop the Electronic Frontiers Foundation from peering into their bugging of mobile phone calls around the country, you know that they will not honor their press statements about how they will behave.
In fact, most of President Bush's appointments to the Courts are textualist following the legal model of Justice Scalia. Justice Scalia has written that these statements are irrelevant in interpreting a statute. You look at the words of the law, not the debate in Congress to determine the meaning of the law per Justice Scalia. George Bush could address the joint houses of Congress and say this law will never be interpreted in this way. He could hold a signing ceremony and announce it on all the tv networks and this would not amount ot a hill of beans. They could still say the law doesn't say we can't do this.
It will take decades to undue the civil rights abuses we've done in the last five years. Sorry, I don't trust them because "they are from the Government." | |
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nitrobengene
join:2004-12-06
Pullman, WA
| That's why we have Amendment #2 and.. Why have ISP's track us? All they have to do is hire Google to do it. One stop shopping. The ISP's probably already have enough tracking data on file for "quality control" purposes to track people fairly well anyway. Still, I don't want the government to know a darned thing about me. They know way too much about us already. Maybe its time to learn all that hacking stuff, and steal (borrow) wireless bandwidth from neighbors and nearby hotspots. I can't believe that guy was stupid enough to even say something like that in public. I he wants to catch criminals, he should be a good little cop and go chase them. | |
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MainJeb
@verizon.net | Our fine gomment I guess I shud stop searching on google for "Bush Sucks" and probably take it off my car bumper. Don't want to be considered a pedophile! | |
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short09
join:2006-07-21
| ......... bush basically dealt the constitution a nail in the coffin when he signed the detainee law. that legislation basically makes the bill of rights invalid. i dont care if ur a suspected "terrorist" or not. u should be given the full constitution protections. i imagin idiot bush signin some similar law in regards to the internet. insult the incompetent administration on a website and ur gonna be labeled a terrorist | |
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ikioaeh
@686e.de
| good luck! So what about the oath the president has to take when he is sworn in, that has no precedence here? When the current administration started representing themselves, and private companies, they broke that oath. What we are faced with is an illegitimate administration.
Bush is not the President of the United States of America as described by the constitution, and that is the bottom line. | |
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I'm not going to say anymore about Big Brother Bush for fear of disappearing forever cause they're probably spying on me right now. 
