kdandaoc
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sounds like an ebay move....pump up the price and then split! |
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| NY Times Misses the Point
Does the NY Times not know what the purpose of an auction is? It is for the seller to get the highest possible price for the item being sold. Auctions have nothing to do with allowing for newcomers to enter the field.
If a newcomer could outbid any of the established companies, then said newcomer would cheerfully have access to said item.
From the government's perspective, the auction was quite successful, netting in billions of dollars. Why did the NY Times not focus on how the government made out like a bandit as a result of this auction?
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| said by pnh102  :Does the NY Times not know what the purpose of an auction is? It is for the seller to get the highest possible price for the item being sold. Auctions have nothing to do with allowing for newcomers to enter the field. If a newcomer could outbid any of the established companies, then said newcomer would cheerfully have access to said item. From the government's perspective, the auction was quite successful, netting in billions of dollars. Why did the NY Times not focus on how the government made out like a bandit as a result of this auction? Yup... In this case the rich get bigger and the poor go out of business..
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Zoder
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Miami, FL | reply to pnh102
Was wondering.
Does the money go directly to the treasury or to the FCC for their department to spend? |
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Sr Tech
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RadioDoc
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It goes directly to the Treasury's general fund. The FCC gets nothing.
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"The dream of another wave of new entrants has died."
That dream died years ago...1996 to be exact. Any "new entrants" would have just sold out to the big dogs anyway.
And it's "touted", not "tauted".
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The Folsom
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Re: NY Times Misses the Point
said by Zoder :Was wondering. Does the money go directly to the treasury or to the FCC for their department to spend? »wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/defaul···auctions
I found this on the FCC site, "Omnibus..." and "...public benefit..." jump out at me, but I did not investigate further.
/Me thinking the proceeds go into a "General Fund"... this fairly screams, "SLUSH!!!" But I could be wrong...
Cheers and good question... Inquiring minds want to know. 
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said by RadioDoc :It goes directly to the Treasury's general fund. The FCC gets nothing. Dammit, RadioDoc, you got in before I could finish my Google! 
As always,
Cheers.
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firewire9999
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Hmmm or the NY Times is doing the usual "SPIN" about big evil corporations, etc. |
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said by RadioDoc :It goes directly to the Treasury's general fund. The FCC gets nothing. Except maybe some extra consideration in the annual budget process.
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Re: Oh please...
said by RadioDoc : ...And it's "touted", not "tauted".
Score one for the spelling police!
I saw it, too...
D'Oh! Karl slid into the "Correction Zone" before I could finish my post!!!
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|  Comcast & TimeWarner making wireless internet move?
At the same time, cable companies like Time Warner and Comcast have teamed up with Sprint Nextel to bid on chunks of spectrum to expand their limited presence in the wireless business. Analysts said the cable companies were likely to use the spectrum to offer wireless Web access, not necessarily phone service.
Of the $13.3 billion in bids registered thus far, $2.2 billion has come from the cable providers, bidding together in a consortium with Sprint, the third-largest cellular carrier.
Emerging technology that lets wireless phones use data networks instead of traditional cellular networks to connect calls could give the cable companies a route into the phone market.
More likely, analysts said, cable companies are buying spectrum because they are interested in building a network of wireless hubs to let their customers log onto the Internet not just at home, but also in cafes, parks and hotels.
The cable consortium has bid for dozens of licenses, some of which cover the New York metropolitan area, where Time Warner Cable provides service, as well as Philadelphia, Washington and Chicago, where Comcast is the main provider. It has also bid for licenses in Los Angeles, San Francisco and other cities. Looks like the cable companies are going to try and cut the city WiFi networks off at the pass.
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Re: NY Times Misses the Point
The FCC's budget is about 2% of what this one auction brought in. While I am sure there is some budgetary consideration when/if the FCC asks for out-of-ordinary expense items, the auction process is all about Congressional money grabbing. The FCC was mandated to do it, and has no choice in the matter.
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Re: Comcast & TimeWarner making wireless internet move?
said by TKJunkMail :Looks like the cable companies are going to try and cut the city WiFi networks off at the pass. That wouldnt necessarily be a bad thing. In fact, I would bet that some of the cable wireless networks will be up before some of the city networks we have been talking about for years. The already-one-year-behind-schedule Philly network comes to mind.......
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Re: NY Times Misses the Point
said by pnh102 :Does the NY Times not know what the purpose of an auction is? It is for the seller to get the highest possible price for the item being sold... Exactly! That's not what the FCC is supposed to be about, but that's the way spectrum auctions have been set up.
The FCC should be using a process that ensures new entrants WILL win licenses, to foster competition and benefit consumers. Who the hell do you expect to win these licenses when highest bidder wins? No-name Wireless, Ltd or ATT?
If this is the way spectrum continues to be auctioned, there will never be significant competition in wireless broadband and all spectrum will be owned by the current incumbents with few possible exceptions. |
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join:2000-05-11 | Tell that to your Congresscritter. They set the rules. The FCC just carries the water.
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brooklynman4
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I heard
I heard verizon took the cake  |
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roamer1
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About the only places where anyone besides the major wireless carriers are getting anything are rural areas, and in most cases the companies getting the rural areas are small ILECs who want to do wireless (in lieu of or in addition to DSL) in-region or expand out-of-region somewhat.
IMO, the satellite companies pulled out far too early. I don't think not being able to compete with more than TV will kill them off, but with phone companies moving to IPTV and the satellite companies essentially unable to do VoD on their own, it will certainly hurt (DirecTV and Dish rely on partnerships with phone companies for a lot of their business.)
Of the existing wireless carriers:
T-Mobile has by far the most to gain or lose from this auction -- compared to the other three major wireless carriers, T-Mobile has relatively little spectrum in most markets (as little as 10 MHz in a few) and desperately needs more to catch up with the others data-wise.
Verizon Wireless could use more spectrum, but isn't truly desperate for it in most places; Sprint Nextel (who is bidding jointly with the major cable companies) is in a similar position.
Cingular participating in the auction as extensively as they are strikes me as a bit strange, as they are awash in spectrum in most areas (the only significant exceptions being the handful of markets where only the original Cingular or only the former AT&T Wireless had operations, such as Denver, Minneapolis, and Panama City, FL.) It almost seems as if Cingular may be trying to hoard spectrum so that T-Mobile and others can't get it...
Alltel sitting things out also strikes me as strange -- they still have huge gaps in their footprint, namely the Northeast (where all they serve is a single county in Connecticut that Cingular had to sell when they bought AT&T Wireless), where they are stuck roaming on other carriers. They seem to want to go beyond "mostly rural super-regional" and go truly national, but how in the world can they do it without anything in the Northeast? The opinion of many is that Alltel will buy out other carriers to get what they need -- Metro PCS, whose operating markets are close to or adjoin Alltel service areas and who has also been bidding for a Northeast REA license, seems like a particular target.
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