sonofjay
Mission Accomplished - Bush May 1, 2003
Premium,MVM
join:2001-05-14
North Attleboro, MA | Not happening on Earthlink Cable Customers
Not happening here using either:
rns1.earthlink.net
rns2.earthlink.net |
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woody7
Premium
join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA | you don't have use their dns servers do you?, I have been using "treewalk" (»ntcanuck.com/) for a long time and haven't had a problem. JMT
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dentman42
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
 ·AT&T Midwest
| There's someone out there doing this for URLs without a domain name, though it doesn't seem to happen on all ISPs (I've seen it on Road Runner, Cox, Comcast and BellSouth for sure, and I think I've seen it on SBC/ATT). I first discovered it because of my employer's VPN - people try to access an internal site (no domain name, for example "http://homepage") while not on the VPN and get redirected to "Future home of .homepage information.com". I've tried this on my own machines with no VPN software installed and duplicated the results - basically any URL without a domain gets redirected instead of failing a DNS lookup, and the "information.com" page (IP always in the range 69.x.x.x) will pop up a couple more windows if popups are not blocked, at least one of which usually attempts a drive-by download. I'm really surprised I haven't seen this mentioned here as it started almost a year ago. |
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bleearg13
join:2001-03-03
Gaithersburg, MD | Paxfire
They are probably using Paxfire, which is a company who claims to have created the SiteFinder service. |
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GigahertZ420
join:2001-10-02
Fairbanks, AK
| reply to sonofjay
Re: Not happening on Earthlink Cable Customers
There is something you just don't do as an internet company. Screwing with DNS in any way is one of them. When will companies learn that when you mess with DNS, you get blacklisted.
Same bullcrap was tried by Verisign and they got bitch slapped for it. I know of many people in the IT field that said, "not so fast verisign, we will just blacklist your effing DNS servers"
If you want to try this internet companies, setup an alternate DNS and allow people to manually change their DNS to your "i'm a location bar typing noob" DNS servers. DO NOT MAKE THIS THE DEFAULT!!@! |
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VR Laura
Queen Of Cyberspace
Premium
join:2002-02-10
NYC
| reply to sonofjay
Ugh. It's happening to me. 
I'm in NYC with Earthlink ADSL via Verizon (768/128).
Today, I am very UNHAPPY about this. 
Tomorrow, I will be very ANNOYED about this. 
I expect by Monday -- if Earthlink is still doing this obscene redirection -- I will be really PISSED about this. 
Laura
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»www.queenofcyberspace.com/usenet/ |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Who Cares?
Really... does it matter if you get a DNS error page or a page from someone else telling you that the server couldn't be found with a few suggestions/ads on it?
Either way, you didn't get where you were going. At least with the former you may have a link right there for you to click on instead of typing it again.
Move on and find some other petty thing to complain about. |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
·EarthLink
·AT&T Midwest
 ·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| reply to woody7
Re: Not happening on Earthlink Cable Customers
said by woody7  :you don't have use their dns servers do you?, I have been using "treewalk" (» ntcanuck.com/) for a long time and haven't had a problem. Even TreeWalk has to get it's information from somewhere, so what DNS did you configure it to use ?? |
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StaticMan
join:2006-06-21
23534 | reply to woody7
different dns servers
no you do not have to use their dns servers, there are public servers available, specifically 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.1, set them up on your pc and you should be fine. |
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exactly11
@vif.net
 from:
whfsdude
| reply to Skippy25
Re: Who Cares?
Exactly, instead of a "This page cannot be displayed" you get a search page which may or may not help YOU. The point is it might help 75% of the less-tech savvy customers, and therefore it's a good idea.
It's not so good when you think of the big ISP getting a few more $$$, and still charging people the extra fees too on our bill.
Is this really something to get upset about??
Here is an Idea for the ISPs! Just like some video sites that show 10 second advert's before the actual video, ISP can start showing webpages with advertisements before directing you to your intended page! What a money maker that would be! They could do it on any page, everytime!!
If HotSpots can redirect you until you pay, they must be able to do this!
(If they do that, then you have a reason to complain, but if you mis-type something, get over it, and correct your spelling.) |
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claco
join:2002-09-29
Tallmadge, OH
| reply to Skippy25
Don't think in just web browser terms. If it were just port 80 browser request that were seeing these false positives for non-existent domains, I wouldn't really care.
It matters because it severely screws with email systems. Now, instead of email bouncing because there is no destination domain, or spam checks working because domains don't exist, email servers are led to believe through these 'false positives' that domains exists, and then accept the emails and fill up trying to send them out. Spam filters and lists now have an even worse time of things because EVERY DNS domain request returns a result when they shouldn't.
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dentman42
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to dentman42
Re: Not happening on Earthlink Cable Customers
Just did another test. Created an SBC/ATT dialup connection (had DSL for 7 months, first time I've used the dialup!) to verify that I get redirected on this connection. Put "homepage" in the address bar in IE and got the information.com page (no "future home of" blurb this time) - resolved to 69.25.212.180. (First attempt it failed due to an earlier attempt to block the page - I had to rename my hosts file which was redirecting urlforwarding.domainsite.com, searchportal.information.com, and ppc-parked.domainsite.com to localhost). This was as much of the redirect as I have been able to trace. Since it occurs on many ISPs, you guys should be able to duplicate the redirect. |
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bmn
? ? ?
Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| reply to Skippy25
Re: Who Cares?
Petty ? Absolutely not. Tricks like this break DNS and the way it is suppose to work. There's a reason there was such an uproar about Sitefinder and its the same reason there's noise being made about this.
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claudeo
join:2000-02-23
Redmond, WA
| Give them a inch...
Once the precedent is established for this, what is preventing them from going further? As another poster pointed out, maybe try to force-feed an ad before giving you the response, or even interpreting certain queries to return the address of a different site that pays the highest kickbacks. So, you might be looking for "something.com" and be given the IP of "something.racket".
This must be nipped in the bud! |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| reply to bmn
Re: Who Cares?
Claco gave a good reason for being against it. I personally do not use what he says so I will have to take his word for it. Koodo's for the good response Claco. However, I would still argue it is good and another method for your verification needs to be found or developed.
However, you on the other hand can't just come here and say it is broke because it is not. Not getting a DNS error is not broken. I personally think it is an enhancement to DNS and improves MOST customers experience.
Beyond what the inconvenience that Claco pointed out give a valid reason as to why it is "broke". |
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Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
Premium,VIP
join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
clubs:
| reply to bleearg13
Re: Not Paxfire, but Bearfruit of the UK.
»barefruit.com/?page=home
Try this if you are on EL.
»earthlinkmustdie.dslreports.com/
It takes 28 (twenty eight) seconds before it responds.
Then it shows this:
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| reply to claudeo
Re: Give them a inch...
What is stopping them from doing that now?
They don't do the above because the above would be stupid and would annoy user's and force them to find another provider.
However, this I personally thinks improves the customer experience and I have no problem with it and I believe those that do have issue with it would be a major minority (but possibly a majority on this site).
I have had this built into my browser (Avant) for the couple years I have been using it and enjoy it every time I mistype something and the link is right there for me to click. There have been times where I was trying to go to one place but mistyped it and found links to better places presented to me.
You call it an annoyance, I call it a feature. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| reply to Skippy25
Re: Who Cares?
said by Skippy25 :Beyond what the inconvenience that Claco pointed out give a valid reason as to why it is "broke". His entire reason given is "why it is broke"...
You may not care, YOU may see it as an enhancement, but to the way "the internet" works, it's broke. Period.
He gave every good answer necessary. Not to mention, it's not acceptable. |
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Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
Premium,VIP
join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
clubs: | reply to sonofjay
Re: Not happening on Earthlink Cable Customers
207.69.188.185, 207.69.188.186, 207.69.188.187
ns1.mindspring.com
ns2.mindspring.com
ns3.mindspring.com
Try those as that is what DSL customers are given. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
1 edit | reply to Skippy25
Re: Give them a inch...
Everyone has that available.. it's called a search engine and you also have the "did you mean X" feature.
You have nothing special.
Let's just say this... enjoy you increased spam and other inherit problems.
When and ISP decides to do this, they are no longer operating under the collective guidelines known as "the internet"... there are common rules that ISPs follow and this isn't one of them.
If they want to do this, Why not just call this Earthlink AOL 2.0 and call it an information service "with a gateway to the internet." because that's what they are acting like. |
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