Anonuser
join:2003-01-03
Milwaukee, WI | .
Well, this is going to suck. I dont care one bit about IPTV, I just want faster internet access!
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cbrantly
join:2006-07-26
San Antonio, TX
|  Why are there such bandwidth concerns?
I don't see why so many people are concerned about the bandwidth. In my experience, AT&T is just being cautious. I can say for sure that I am getting speeds of over 96Mbps to my gateway using FTTN. Other users are getting very fast connections as well. Look for AT&T to start cranking up the bandwidth next year as they get more comfortable with this new technology. After all, this is the first major IPTV installation in the US. |
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N3OGH
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
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 ·Verizon Online DSL
| One HD stream?
Well LAA DEE DAH.
One HD stream, maybe 2?
I'm no network engineer, but isn't it clear to everyone that this technology isn't going to cut it in the 21st century? Right now, I'm getting 5 or 6 HD channels from Comcast (and I'm no fan of Comcast), and Verizon's Fios TV will be capable of even more.
Everyone else is doing 85 on the interstate while these guys are snapping the whip on the ol' stagecoach.
Hey, AT&T, that ol' buggy can only go so fast, no matter how hard you whip the horse!
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
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Re: Why are there such bandwidth concerns?
said by cbrantly  :I don't see why so many people are concerned about the bandwidth. They aren't concerned, people just like to piss & moan because it isn't fiber to the premise. |
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Derfel
join:2004-06-06
Winnipeg, MB
·MTS
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Re: One HD stream?
Uh, I think what "one stream" means is that only one TV can have HD on at a time. Not that there's only one HD channel at a time. Can your Comcast do multiple TVs in HD?
MTS in Winnipeg, MB is testing HD with this same technology right now, and they are planning to deliver 11 HD channels (maybe more), but only on one TV. I'm okay with that. |
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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said by N3OGH :I'm no network engineer, but isn't it clear to everyone that this technology isn't going to cut it in the 21st century? Right now, I'm getting 5 or 6 HD channels from Comcast (and I'm no fan of Comcast), and Verizon's Fios TV will be capable of even more. AT&T isn't going to make any large inroads against cable video with their VDSL infrastructure. Cable is reacting very strongly with speed increases anywhere Verizon's fios makes an appearance. But I doubt cable will have to do much to beat back AT&T U-Verse. It just won't be competitive with cable video.
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cbrantly
join:2006-07-26
San Antonio, TX | reply to Derfel
Yes, this means one stream at a time of HD with more coming soon. AT&T is actually planning to offer the best HD package of any carrier with a goal of 30 HD channels when it launches in October. |
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reelbigfish
join:2002-06-06
Boston, MA
·Comcast
 ·Comcast Digital Vo..
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Re: .
Problem is a lot of folks just don't want faster speeds. I know people who only have 1.5Mbps DSL and love it. Plus it's cheaper than having phone and internet through Comcast or Cox (the local cable cos). For those who want it, 6/1Mbps is pretty quick and really a bargain for the price. |
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DaSneaky1D
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
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Re: One HD stream?
said by N3OGH :I'm no network engineer...Right now, I'm getting 5 or 6 HD channels from Comcast (and I'm no fan of Comcast), and Verizon's Fios TV will be capable of even more. There's your first disqualification.
Getting 5 or 6 HD channels is not the same as streaming them all at the same time. AT&T's IPTV service will currently only stream one HD channel to the house at a time, until stress tests show more can be handled.
Most homes that even have a HD tv only have one, so this makes perfect sense. What this won't allow you to do is watch one HD stream, and record a second.
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icp1
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join:2000-10-13
Saint Louis, MO
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·AT&T DSL Service
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said by TKJunkMail : But I doubt cable will have to do much to beat back AT&T U-Verse. It just won't be competitive with cable video. Never underestimate the power of Pissed off users of cable...They would go to anything else if offered, even if it offered less and cost more...
Heck in our Charter world here, I could bet 25% would switch just because they hate Charter.
That being said, AT&T isn't stupid enough to think their existing rollout will do it for the long run. I fully expect to see a switch to fiber to the home (at least a plan) in the next year or so, and this rollout is just a stopgap to prevent total cable domination. |
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Derfel
join:2004-06-06
Winnipeg, MB | reply to TKJunkMail
Again, I'll use MTS in Manitoba as an example. They offer digital TV for less money than you can get standard cable here in Winnipeg. People love that sort of thing. |
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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Re: Why are there such bandwidth concerns?
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Rick
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Waterbury, CT
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If you and others are seeing those kinds of sync speeds, or even half that number, this could be a very interesting technology and product rollout.
I and others have been critical of this because it isn't Fios, and for a next generation product that is going to involve multiple HD streams and very fast internet, it's been seen as the lightweight contender vs. Verizon and the cable co's.
I mean, there's certainly nothing WRONG per se with a 6MB connection, but when you're talking about the future and many cable co's already breaking those boundaries and even doubling it..uverse just has had this feel about it like it's going to be like a 1500k connection would be viewed today with many of their dsl offerings.
And furthermore, while maybe the tv service is ok, expanding into hdtv, multiple streams and the like such as the future and even today looks like with many cable co's..the system seemed stressed before it's even out of the gate.
With what you and others are reporting now however, maybe critics have been somewhat unfair. I really don't think you can blame critics because clearly the impression I cite above IS what was out there and the company really did nothing to counteract that.
I guess we'll all just have to really wait and see how it goes. I for one would be interested in an alternative if it could provide multiple HDTV..and fast speeds...AND provided something better on the cost front versus the cable competition.
I don't want slower than cable speeds or a toned down TV service.
Hopefully this isn't also a case of the haves and have nots. As anyone with dsl knows today, some can get the higher speeds while many don't.
I think it's important that AT&T create something consistent that is available to the masses of people on a as fair as possible basis.
What also would be interesting to see is if they will create an internet only higher speed package.
At the very least, even if HDTV was questionable, they could use this new system to deliver much better net speeds to many people.
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pnh102
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to DaSneaky1D
Re: One HD stream?
said by DaSneaky1D :What this won't allow you to do is watch one HD stream, and record a second. Hmmm AT&T better catch up then... Comcast already offers a dual tuner DVR box which allows you to record up to 2 HD channels at the same time.
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC | reply to Rick
Re: Why are there such bandwidth concerns?
good post, Rick. I agree 100%. The more competition the better no matter what 'camp' people lean towards. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
2 edits | reply to cbrantly
96mbps? To your house?
Can you fire off a speed test?
Can you start a few downloads that reflect this speed?
Comcast has my "gateway" connected to 10g, redundant even(that means two of them). This does not mean I am getting this. This means that what I do get is fairly reliable. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou | reply to pnh102
Re: One HD stream?
I agree. I think they plan on offering a dual tuner option soon. Likely they're just guarding their steps to avoid unnecessary (additional) troubles.
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pa_grape
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join:2006-07-24
Columbus, OH
| reply to Rick
Re: Why are there such bandwidth concerns?
"What also would be interesting to see is if they will create an internet only higher speed package.
At the very least, even if HDTV was questionable, they could use this new system to deliver much better net speeds to many people."
I agree, that would be interesting. Wonder what kind of demand there would be for that? |
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cmarin
join:2004-01-13
Boynton Beach, FL
| reply to DaSneaky1D
Re: One HD stream?
My Adelphia (now Comcrap) HD service at home works with two DVR's (each w/ dual HD tuners) and I can watch different HD channels on each TV simultaneously... also, I can record two different HD channels simultaneously, while watching yet another HD feed on two HD TV's.
DVR's are the Scientific Atlanta boxes... $9/month fee.
Did I mention I can do all this and also download at 6mbps/768kbps and VoIP (Vonage), and XBOX live?
This isn't WOW technology... it's just a different approach to the mousetrap... poor AT&T hasn't figured out that the cheese they're using as bait is just rotten and scaring away the mice. |
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cbrantly
join:2006-07-26
San Antonio, TX
| reply to dadkins
Re: Why are there such bandwidth concerns?
Unfortunately my internet speeds are limited at my gateway to 6Mbps with the Elite package. On speed tests I consistently get 5.8Mbps. Since the bandwidth to my house is so much higher, my 5.8Mbps speed is very reliable and consistent. I posted an image of my gateway statistics that shows the 96Mbps connection, but it is being held for moderation. |
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