PhoenixDown
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join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
clubs:   | Why dont we have laws against this?
Or laws stating that they are representatives of these companies which they most certainly are.
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | We don't have laws against this because law firms make huge amounts of money running these operations.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ | Like net neutrality proponents don't do the same
Check out who contributes to »www.savetheinternet.com/ .
Some real astroturfing going on by the contributors to this organization. |
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ftthz
If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | they do it because they can
reminds of the viral video that exxon made making fun of Al Gore's movie ... they got the money to blow to on things like this... |
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nickb
Still Waiting For My Flashcom Rebates
join:1999-07-10
Brooklyn, NY
| What the hell do you expect?
This is a high stakes game being played here by high rollers. They WILL use all and every quasi-legal tactic.
Thanks heavens it is possible for reports like this one to be written and distributed.
In other parts of the world exposing this kind of thing leads to a knock on the door in the middle of the night, or worse.
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vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Like net neutrality proponents don't do the same
Wow, the Parent's Television Council... I would have thought they would equate net neutrality with pornography and come out against.
Seriously, though, what's questionable about their contributors? |
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bigjimc
join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA
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Re: Why dont we have laws against this?
We don;t have laws against it because of the Constitution of the United States gives all of us the unalienable rights to our opinions.
Notice.."opinions". No matter how much I HATE their opinion. Thankfully there are others exposing these paid opinions.
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nixen
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Alexandria, VA
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| said by bigjimc  :We don;t have laws against it because of the Constitution of the United States gives all of us the unalienable rights to our opinions. Notice.."opinions". No matter how much I HATE their opinion. Thankfully there are others exposing these paid opinions. Opinions are one thing. Deception is another. If AT&T needs to express an opinion, they should do so. Hiding behind a "grass roots" campaign of "real citizens" smacks of deception.
-tom
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kaila
join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL
clubs: | $20k per day......hmmmm
Who besides the golo's (elected government officials and lobbyists) are the beneficiaries of this cash. And how can one get in on this telco money train? |
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vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
| said by kaila :Who besides the golo's (elected government officials and lobbyists) are the beneficiaries of this cash. And how can one get in on this telco money train? Most likely anyone who sells ads. |
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garywk
join:2001-03-06
Clarkston, WA
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said by kaila :Who besides the golo's (elected government officials and lobbyists) are the beneficiaries of this cash. And how can one get in on this telco money train? I wouldn't doubt at all that the telco's and other companies contributing to this are not paying shills to come sites such as dslreports to defend their actions and promote their agenda. They are spending millions on this, and covering all their bases, as they see billions of dollars of revenue at stake for them.
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL
1 edit | NO Surprise here
alot of big companies do this
but heres a good read on the net-netural debate
»www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2001313,00.asp |
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | reply to kaila
Re: $20k per day......hmmmm
Join a DC law firm. |
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Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
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Re: Why dont we have laws against this?
Well yeah, opinions are fine and there is nothing wrong with an individual or company stating one.
BUT... when an individual or company hides behind and organization, funds said organization AND leads everyone to believe the organization is one thing BUT is in FACT simply a front.... then that is nothing short of DECEPTION. misleading and LYING.
And who says there is no such thing as conspiracy theories. |
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | reply to vpoko
Re: Like net neutrality proponents don't do the same
tkjunkmail is an industry shill. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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| said by rit56 :tkjunkmail is an industry shill. That's correct actually - he's from the other side, from the cable industry, the enemy of the telcos.
It's pretty funny to look up his older posts WRT cable-related lobbying... |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :Check out who contributes to » www.savetheinternet.com/ . Some real astroturfing going on by the contributors to this organization. you mean some grassrooting, don't you?
The industry group, "hands off the internet", certainly meets the definition of astroturfing, but "save the internet" actually IS a grass roots group.
With few exceptions, "hands off" is telecom companies, telecom orgs or telecom lobbying/front groups; "save" includes public groups, churches, companies, individuals, unions, etc. - looks grass roots to me. |
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braynes
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join:2005-03-14
Waterville, ME
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1 edit | reply to odreian615
Re: NO Surprise here
As I read this I came across this Gem"For starters, telecom giants are in no position to censor traffic".
I do hope this opinion was before the at&t starting giving the feds anything they wanted. If not this Writer is a fool or on the pay role.
Bruce |
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bigjimc
join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA
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Re: Why dont we have laws against this?
Absolutely. I think that AT&T is deceptively spending the stock holders money. There should be a regulation that states that any company spending stockholders money on paid opinion should notify us.
This regulation should treat these opinions similar to a political advertisement (as they are).
I agree that this deception is wrong.
*The preceding was not a paid advertisement by anyone*
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braynes
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join:2005-03-14
Waterville, ME | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Like net neutrality proponents don't do the same
"Seriously, though, what's questionable about their contributors?"
Yes I would like to know which one offended you or who are you elude to?
Bruce |
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