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If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | guess i should buy a router now b4 they add this stuff open source routers!!! | |
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GlenQuagmire
Giggidy Giggidy Giggidy Goo
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| Re: guess i should buy a router now b4 they add this stuff said by ftthz  :open source routers!!! GO Fedora Core!!
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Winter Park, FL
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| said by ftthz :open source routers!!! Well, it looks like the idiots taking the easy way out will either have to be watched by big brother (and anyone else who has instructions to the secret access) or learn how to use a REAL router (such as Linux). I would think it would be more economical and cheaper to push requirements/licenses/tests to people wanting a router, thus, eliminating or reducing the "lack of knowledge" excuses when these idiots get busted allowing illegal activity to happen. I see more and more each day our government doing things to justify wasting our taxes, and this is just one of them. Pay the government to force the technology and internet based companies to release private info, not to mention without a warrant. I hope every hacker in every foreign country picks a single day to crash every one of these devices in existence. I also hope someone comes up with a "hacked" version of the firmware so the issue could be avoided. I think it's time for me to move out of the US, because even though the grass may not be greener on the other side, I feel the laws here are becoming more and more restrictive, and is taking away our freedom, little by little... Now flame away, I'm done.
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1 edit | Re: guess i should buy a router now b4 they add this stuff said by phattieg :said by ftthz :open source routers!!! I think it's time for me to move out of the US, because even though the grass may not be greener on the other side, I feel the laws here are becoming more and more restrictive, and is taking away our freedom, little by little... Now flame away, I'm done. No flame from me.
I don't agree with moving out of our great country though.
If everyone follow that trend of thought "they" would win.
Problem is, everyone complains but does nothing. We have lost our ability to rally together and stand up for what we think is an injustice. We have become a complacent society. No more tea parties.
We now fear and loath our government, doesn't matter which party is in power. That fear has caused us to become lethargic, we just move on with everyday life. The silent majority isn't just silent, it's asleep,numb.
Makes no sense anymore. Anywho, I need to get off my soap box. I do agree with what you said, we are losing our rights more and more everyday. | |
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join:2003-11-05
Crofton, MD
| Re: guess i should buy a router now b4 they add this stuff said by tt1 :said by phattieg :said by ftthz :open source routers!!! I think it's time for me to move out of the US, because even though the grass may not be greener on the other side, I feel the laws here are becoming more and more restrictive, and is taking away our freedom, little by little... Now flame away, I'm done. No flame from me. I don't agree with moving out of our great country though. If everyone follow that trend of thought "they" would win. Problem is, everyone complains but does nothing. We have lost our ability to rally together and stand up for what we think is an injustice. We have become a complacent society. No more tea parties. We now fear and loath our government, doesn't matter which party is in power. That fear has caused us to become lethargic, we just move on with everyday life. The silent majority isn't just silent, it's asleep,numb. Makes no sense anymore. Anywho, I need to get off my soap box. I do agree with what you said, we are losing our rights more and more everyday. Moving out of the country wont do any good, at least not to Canada or Mexico anyone seen this? »www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueAdeZuns3A | |
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Dude111
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Badasses Fight For Freedom
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| Re: FBI: A Backdoor in Every Router said by Dude111 : quote:
guess i should buy a router now b4 they add this stuff
I think thats a good idea!! Going to linux as a router is a better idea ... since it's open source.. you can knock the probe out
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Going to linux as a router is a better idea ... since it's open source.. you can knock the probe out
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It was exactly what they did when they demanded that universities have those features on their networks... And the universities were right to tell the feds to stick in their hat and bugger off. | |
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Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
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| Re: And its going to be wonderful to see... said by ScrewDat :
Its going to be absolutely great to watching as the government demands that these features be in the networks and then bear absolutely NONE of the cost of having them there. Nor will they be held financially or otherwise responsible when said backdoors are compromised.
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1 edit | Re: Just imagine... How often are the already-included backdoors courtesy MicroSoft nee Government published online?
That doesn't lessen the grave concern over rights violations, however. | |
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Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone | Re: Just imagine... indeed.
the collective mind of the internet > chuckleheads at the FBI
we all know the borg would kick the federation's ass if they really wanted to. | |
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Love it, Hate it.
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Wheeling, IL | Re: Just imagine... You're joking, right? "What's one more [vulnerability]"?
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TexasGuy
49 States And Texas
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Houston, TX
| said by Nightfall :Even if your home router is open source, what good is that going to do when the next 15 hops are all monitored? At least it won't be easy for them to hack into the user's system.
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| It would be instantanious and devastating. The Police and feds are people too and you can be guaranteed they will use illegally as well as legally these new rights. I can see the passwords within minutes in Organized crimes hands and hackers slowly filtering to as simple as a google search.
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burgermeister
All Computers Are Junk
join:2000-10-23
Utica, MI
| This has to be a joke. How could they possibly justify such stupidity?? What happens if we were to remove the 'backdoor'?
This is messed up. The FBI doesn't pay for my broadband so they have no right to access anything in my network.
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join:2002-01-30
Mesa, AZ | Re: This has to be a joke. Our government "justify such stupidity".
Lol, almost blew my drink thru my nose.
Thanks for the laugh. | |
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burgermeister
All Computers Are Junk
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Utica, MI | Re: This has to be a joke. No problem. I do what I can with what I have.  | |
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guitarzan
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Skytop, PA
·epix
| In other words Official Announcement:
The government today announced that it is changing its emblem from an Eagle to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you're actually being fucked.
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Go Colts
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Fort Wayne, IN | Nah. Keep the Eagle. Just replace the arrows and olive branch with the condoms. But also don't forget the lube as it's going to hurt when they start probing back doors.
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Norwich, CT | You can have my non-government controlled router..... when you pry it out of my cold dead hands!!
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clubs: | Re: You can have my non-government controlled router..... So long as there is the ACLU, I really doubt we will be like China... | |
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| vapochilled
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Macungie, PA
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| said by Harddrive :when you pry it out of my cold dead hands!! In 30 years, you'll have more rights living in China than you will in the USA. 30 years lol, got to love an optomist!
does not matter if it's bush or fucking sponge bob in power here, liberties are lost, gone, never to be returned.
Bleating about it now is too late, warnings we're given but no one cared, now suddenly everyones up in arms over shit like this.
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jjoshua
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quetwo
That VoIP Guy
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| Re: You are correct said by jjoshua :Hacking would be against the law. Pirating music and movies is against the law. Driving over 55mph / 70mph is against the law. Your point being? | |
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cbrigante2
Cubs 20??
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| Re: You are correct said by TexasGuy :His point is being sarcastic. Get it? Sarcasm is against the law these days, isn't it? | |
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Jason Levine
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USA
| That's the first thing I thought of. Even putting aside the whole issue of going against the very nature of the Constitution, requiring all routers to have backdoors is just an open invitation to the hackers of the world. Every single "FBI Backdoor compliant" network would soon become fair game for every hacker out there capable of running an automated script. | |
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jdir
join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA | Time to buy a couple home router Time to head to your local favorite computer store and pick up a couple cheap linksys or netgear or (your fav low cost router).
But then what if you have a 3 or 4 routers sitting behind each other? or one of those balancer router | |
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cwy1980
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Monmouth Junction, NJ
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| Re: Time to buy a couple home router Not going to do much good. You can have the most secure routing setup at home that you want. Any traffic that leaves your network bound for other servers is no longer protected by your 'secure' router. The other 20 or so hops from your gateway to the destination and back are the routers you should be worrying about having backdoors... | |
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1 edit | Already Hacked I find it disheartening that the main topic is about wanting to make this legal, instead of the fact that it is already happening .............
Even though the mandate has not yet gone into effect -- and it is in fact being fought in the courts -- many hardware makers like Cisco, Juniper, Acme Packet and others already include this backdoor in their hardware, says Templeton. To see for yourself, Googe "CALEA support." You'll be frightened by what you see.
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»www.networkingpipeline.com/blog/···_wi.html
Do you REALLY think the current goverment is going to wait for the OK to use this?
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| Re: Already Hacked If this happens, then there will soon be a booming black market for a router modded chipset.
Failing that, then its back to smoke signals and tin cans & string for future communications, not to mention Ham Radio, Walkie-Talkie's and encryption using a form of Navajo language.
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join:2003-07-20
Littleton, CO
| I don't understand so call me stupid.
What would they do with access to the routers? I mean, look at ACLs or default routes? I guess they could black hole traffic to another destination but that will double the bandwidth needed for that stream and increase the utilization of the links that do not belong to the gvt.
It's not like they could port span unless they had physical access as well as logical access.
the article doesn't expand much on what will actually be done in the router once the back door has been accessed.
I fully understand the concept of wire tapping via CALEA and SII (as I'm in the idustry) but how does giving every router a back door apply? | |
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tkdslr
join:2004-04-24
Pompano Beach, FL
·Speakeasy
| Big mistake.. Without independant control... FBI has no case Every defendant in our court system can simply claim the FBI planted the evidence.
I.E.. They're unsupervised, collecting data with no over-site. They have a vested interest in conviction.
At which point the judge dismisses the case, all costs assigned to DOJ. Or a jury of peers renders a not guilty verdict.
ISP involvement should never ... ever.. be bypassed..
The ISP as an un-interested 3rd party and should be the people doing the data collection and archival of the evidence. If any dispute occurs, they have the official (unbiased) records..
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Ok.. now that we've established that this probably isn't for law enforcement purposes. (Evidence not likely to accepted by a court, since ISP can neither confirm nor deny the traffic actually crossed their network.) What is left??? (Spying, Financial advantage, Extortion, Blackmail, etc.) | |
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Maumelle, AR | I guess we exported ALL the freedom and democracy to Iraq. There doesn't seem to be any left over here. | |
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Toadman
How do you like these Apples
join:2001-11-28
Medina, OH
1 edit | A backdoor in a FIrewall makes more sense It actually would make more sense to have a back door to a firewall software programs than a router. All my firewall is going to do is block the backdoor traffic that my "new" router would let in. When an orgainization starts requiring back doors in OS's or firewalls, then start worrying. | |
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49 States And Texas
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join:2002-12-02
Houston, TX | Re: A backdoor in a FIrewall makes more sense It is way easier to destabilize a software firewall than router (granted that the router is not cheap itself). | |
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join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | Re: A backdoor in a FIrewall makes more sense ya.. but why?
why not just hack in through one of the other hundred's of exploits? | |
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ssj4android
Redefining Reality
join:2002-04-14
Wyoming, MI | It is illegal for the agency to eavesdrop on American citizens, meaning that if the NSA key exists, international businesses are most at risk, Fernandes said. Heh. | |
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roc5955
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Rosendale, NY
·RoadRunner Cable
| Ve All Must Honor Der Fatherland Sieg Heil King George,
Ve must all honor und obey der King of this country, since it is now under der rules of one party. To do othervise vill result in der blacklisting, und der detention of such persons. Ve have no choice, ve must agree, or be detained.
There is no longer a constitution, it is being rewritten by der King und his advisors. Ve vill have a new country soon. It vill be free from terrorists, und malcontents. Ze only people who shall remain free are those who abide by ze rules set down by der King, und his advisors.
Long Live Der King.
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Monmouth Junction, NJ
clubs: | Re: Ve All Must Honor Der Fatherland As soon as martial law is declared and we no longer elect officials I will agree with you. Like it or not, the majority of people of this country elected him for a second term. He can't be reelected again so chill out...he will be gone in '08 | |
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1 edit | Are RIghts Are Going Down The Toilet Soon they will want to know when we take a vacation in the usa.even when we take a crap | |
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TOPDAWG
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join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Threads like this make me laugh. I tell you I love how everyone will blame bush yet have no proof he had anything to do with whatever crap people want to cry about this week. Next thing you know when someone dog dies bush will be blamed for it.
So does anyone have any real proof this is bush other then the fact that is what they want to believe? BS things have happened under dem presidents too.
God damn to many cry babies in this world now they always want to be mad at someone else and blame them for their fuck-ups or their unhappiness. | |
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redxii
too big to fail
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join:2001-02-26
Texas | Did they say... Linux and FreeBSD require a backdoor? | |
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maartena
Stacked.
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA | If this passes..... ...I will buy my next router on my next European trip. I go every other year anyways to see my family. | |
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ossito16
join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN | talk talk I hear a bunch of talking but what are you guys really willing to do. do you still believe that these things can be stopped by votes? Are you ready for 'by all means necessary'? | |
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TOPDAWG
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Midland, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
1 edit | Re: talk talk Well being as it's not yet proved to be true like many other things where bush is out to get me I don't think I will do anything.
Also how do you know you can even trust the person who put up this story? Maybe he just hates bush or whatever. Bush is not out to get you fact is he does not even know your alive just like me your all nobodies in the world nobody but your friends and family cares if your alive or not. For someone to be out to get me they would have to know I'm alive first. | |
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
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1 edit | Civil war? Will happen see you on the battlefield either in one piece or in a million. | |
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JSRoman
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1 edit | MOD please lock this tread.. EOM | |
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Macungie, PA | Re: MOD please lock this tread.. said by JSRoman :EOM EOM? | |
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1 edit | Re: MOD please lock this tread.. End of message.
This thread is useless. Instead of discussing anything to do with FBI and router, we get Bush=>Hitler and typical nonsense. Sad state we are in. | |
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