 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | Bad Idea in So Many Ways Why do people think this is a good idea? There are just so many examples of government at all levels screwing things up so badly. Do you really want those same governments running these networks?
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| the only way finally! someone that sees the light.
I think this is the only way the U.S. will make it back up to the top of the broadband heap in the world. If we continue to allow the telcos to control broadband deployment and improvement in the this country, we will fall further and further behind. |
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kudos:5 | Weekly Std report against regulation... and the eminent domain argument was meant to be a threat and not reality.
So, in the end, the writers idea is we should have more bandwidth - duh!! But other than holding threats over the industry, he has no ideas on how it should be paid for. So, ultimately, he says here is what we want and maybe even need. But, as usual, he avoids the tough job of figuring out how to pay for it.
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 ieolusSupport The Clecs
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Duluth, GA
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Exactly what is needed. Yes. |
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Re: Weekly Std report against regulation... How much is being spent in Iraq yearly? I imagine that would be a good start. |
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Orchard Park, NY
kudos:8 | I have.... never read so much rubbish in my life. Do people get paid for writing that?
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Hemet, CA
kudos:1 | reply to nasadude
Re: the only way Actually the real answer is real competition - not the phony competition we have today. Any telecom bill should contain the following.
1) Ban further telecom mergers
2) Mandate network neutrality
3) Ban franchise requirements for voice and TV. Yes both - with AT&T and Verizon pushing out all new infrastructure it's the perfect time to end the monopoly system.
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Wheeling, IL | reply to pnh102
Re: Bad Idea in So Many Ways Allow me to paraphrase:
"There are just so many examples of [companies] at all levels screwing things up so badly. Do you really want those same [companies] running these networks?"
It's bad, either way. |
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Re: Weekly Std report against regulation... said by Linklist:and the eminent domain argument was meant to be a threat and not reality. Unfortunately, I don't see how there could even be the threat of something like this in the near term. With congress firmly in the pockets of the telcos, any suggestion of a taking like this would be laughed out of the building. For gosh sakes, most of congress can't even get it's mind around net neutrality.
I can't even see a completely democrate (house, senate, white house) government even entertaining something like this.
Absent this, we need to put line sharing back in and enforce it; this includes cable internet and fiber.
Otherwise, all we will have is a slow, expensive, stagnant internet controlled by the incumbents. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to tsu9
Re: Bad Idea in So Many Ways said by tsu9:"There are just so many examples of [companies] at all levels screwing things up so badly. Do you really want those same [companies] running these networks?" It's bad, either way. No, it isn't. When a government screws up, the citizens, whether they like it or not, are required to clean up the mess, which usually requires higher taxes for that purpose, and even that operation is just as inefficient and wasteful as the original screwup was to begin with.
At least when a private company screws up, the only people affected are investors who willingly chose to accept the risk. Other people are not affected.
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Do you give your government any credit, ever? Maybe you should stick that right hand out and say, "Heil Hitler!" and see if that government would do you better.  |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | reply to pnh102
Given that most areas have few choices for this sort of thing, when the privately held companies screw up, the citizens feel it as well. It doesn't come as taxes, but it definately is handed down.
Incidentally, I was more referring to the state of the network, rather than the state of one's wallet. |
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ieolusSupport The Clecs
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Duluth, GA | reply to sholling
Re: the only way Or... as the article says, allow everyone to compete for services on a neutral network operated by a third-party who does not provide service. There you go, perfect competition.
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| I say let the telcos have their way. If they can continue to survive with whatever cowsumers want to be with them, then so be it. It will eventually give rise to new network competition in which the QoS tariff doesn't exist, and maybe those lazy pre-slaughtered cowsumers will moo loud enough to the local politicians to change things.
Until then, its cowsumer's fault. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD
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Re: Bad Idea in So Many Ways said by tsu9:Given that most areas have few choices for this sort of thing, when the privately held companies screw up, the citizens feel it as well. People who choose to live in areas where broadband is sparse and the complain about the lack of broadband have other issues. If its that important to someone, then they should move to where the broadband is.
said by tsu9:Incidentally, I was more referring to the state of the network, rather than the state of one's wallet. Well, let's take a look at how well most governments run the following:
- Public Schools - Why is it that we spend more and more and more on K12 education, more than any other civilization on earth and many rural and urban school systems still don't make the grade?
- Amtrak - Why does Congress think that maintaining a railroad which runs out to places where few people live will run at a profit?
- Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid - These programs are rife with so much waste and fraud already... Do you really think with the way the government spends money that you will ever see these benefits when you retire?
- Border Security - Yeah, right!
- Roads - We have a major highway network that is in need of upgrades and the bill we get out of Congress builds a bridge to nowhere in Alaska? WTF?
- Disaster Relief - FEMA, anyone?
With this in mind, I wouldn't even trust these guys with a wire crimper and a CAT-5e cable, much less running the Internet.
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to GhostDoggy
said by GhostDoggy:Do you give your government any credit, ever? No, because anything good that happens in this country is the result of hard working people and elbow grease, not the government.
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| Let the citizens decide Every 8 years as part of a local election let the citizens decide if they are happy with the local telco. If it's yes then they get it for another 8 years. If people are not satisified use eminent domain to seize the lines and offer them to the bidder promising to provide the best improvements to the infrastructure. |
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Re: Bad Idea in So Many Ways said by pnh102:At least when a private company screws up, the only people affected are investors who willingly chose to accept the risk. Other people are not affected. Which would you rather have: a little bit higher risk of a SLIGHT increase in taxes, or have decent service & competetative business guaranteed?
When the investors end up having to pay for a screw-up, think what usually happens. The investors pay for the very LEAST that can be done then very little innovation is completed as the businesses are controlled by profit-loving investors.
When competition is not had, investors rule the day (unfortunately). At this point with internet it is getting to a point where the government will be required to step in a bit or face little innovation (and neighborhood 'cherry-picking') by the big companies.
I would also like to know... why are ATT/Verizon/Bell not competing on a consumer internet level???
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Mount Airy, MD | said by jimbo2150:Which would you rather have: a little bit higher risk of a SLIGHT increase in taxes, or have decent service & competetative business guaranteed? The assumption that government control of the Internet would result in decent service & competitive business is wrong.
And no, I don't want the risk of even a SLIGHT increase in taxes, because every tax increase I've seen has never been slight.
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tsu9
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Wheeling, IL | reply to pnh102
Like I said, neither choice is particularly savory. The current state is vastly preferrable to either getting their grubby little mitts on it. |
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