  kapil The Kapil
join:2000-04-26 Chicago, IL
| People have no morals
Regardless of the stock price, you made a decision to speculate and invest in a company. Now that your decision has been proved wrong, you're going back on your word? These same people would ave bitched up a storm if Vonage had backed out of giving them the shares if the stock price shot up to $100. What is going on in this country...everyone wants something for free! |
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 joebear29
join:2003-07-20 Alabaster, AL | I could not agree more. These people would have had no problem taking the money if the stock had shot upwards - they just wanted to make money with no risk, effort or brainpower involved.
Sheesh. |
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  Bencoder
@216.135.x.x | they just wanted to make money with no risk, effort or brainpower involved.
Yeah, just like some corporations...sheesh, where did they ever learn that mentality? LOL. Throw in the phrase "or competition" and you've got the complete picture. |
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  TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ
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| Not surprised stock price dropped after IPO
When the IPO took place and the Vonage CEO had to admit publicly(because of SEC regs) that his company had no prospects of making a profit any time in the foreseeable future, it almost guaranteed the stock would drop in price.
But those customers who accepted the IPO price should have to pay for their allotted shares. It looks like Vonage is going to let them off the hook, but they could have forced them to pay up. Some of these people had no business getting involved in an IPO. They are not investors and probably thought they were getting some kind of free ride with a guaranteed profit. -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com My Web Page |
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  haroldo
join:2004-01-16 united state
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| All subscription companies (cable, ISPs, satellite, etc.) make the same claim. Comcast was public for years before turning a profit. That shouldn't be an indicator of potential failure...only a convenient excuse for the Monday morning quaterbacks to say "...I told you so..." |
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  SRFireside
join:2001-01-19 Houston, TX
| If you ask me this would be a time to buy. Now that the speculators, dead beats and other suckers are out of the game the stock is low. The first rule of purchasing stock is to buy low and less high. Vonage WILL make a profit in the future. Getting in at the ground floor (especially with the stock depreciating) means a good deal for those who really know how to play the market. |
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 JSRoman Premium join:2005-03-10 Callahan, FL
1 edit | reply to haroldo said by haroldo :All subscription companies (cable, ISPs, satellite, etc.) make the same claim. Comcast was public for years before turning a profit. That shouldn't be an indicator of potential failure...only a convenient excuse for the Monday morning quaterbacks to say "...I told you so..." Funny I don't remember any Comcast Ceo ever saying , Comcast would never make a profit. These sucker investors got exactly what they deserved. The fell for the hype and now don't want to pay the fiddler. Brokerage companies should go after them and make them payup.
Everybody was saying don't do it and yet they went for the cheese anyway. Vonage is down under $13.00 so far , no profits in sight and once all cable companies fully deploy voip service, Vonage is going feel like the only hooker in Germany during the World Cup. -- President Hillary Clinton! Are you scared yet?
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 GhostDoggy
join:2005-05-11 Duluth, GA | reply to kapil Re: People have no morals
Well, these are stupid people, so just keep that in mind. And I am sure they will see their day in court. |
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 JSRoman Premium join:2005-03-10 Callahan, FL
| reply to SRFireside Re: Not surprised stock price dropped after IPO
said by SRFireside :If you ask me this would be a time to buy. Now that the speculators, dead beats and other suckers are out of the game the stock is low. The first rule of purchasing stock is to buy low and less high. Vonage WILL make a profit in the future. Getting in at the ground floor (especially with the stock depreciating) means a good deal for those who really know how to play the market. Sucker born every minute. Are you crazy? What part of never make a profit didn't you understand? Vonage got the years confused. They still think it is 1995-1999.
Take a look at their forum. They are some upset folks in there. All of a sudden no one knew that Citron had some issues in his past with the SEC. I'm shocked I tell you.
»www.vonage-forum.com/forum15.html -- President Hillary Clinton! Are you scared yet?
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  KoolMoe Aw Man Premium join:2001-02-14 Annapolis, MD clubs:
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| reply to SRFireside Re: Not surprised stock price dropped after IPO
You think they will be profitable? Why? They have a good customer base...but anything over that? I think the best hope for Vonage is to get bought by a Big Player (Cable or TelCo) for that customer base. Why do you think they have a future? Just curious  KM -- War is a test of power, not a search for truth or justice. Can the violation of the primacy of love, destruction of life, and tearing of society truly be the will of God? |
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 mettmann
join:2002-07-25 Upland, CA
2 edits | reply to GhostDoggy Re: People have no morals
huh?
And - calling people stupid?
Basing all your judgements on one article?
how many is "many" customers?
I was offered the IPO and did not get 100 shares I had requested. There were "some" investors that were allotted zero - and then were shown to have stock, the next day!
Before jumping to conclusions, try to gather more facts...
one source.. »www.vonage-forum.com (need to register to enter the Stock forum) |
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  Jeffrey too dark too early Premium join:2002-12-24 Dix Hills,NY clubs:
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| reply to kapil As punishment for reneging on their commitment, Vonage should give them an additional Vonage line in their home.
JUST KIDDING!! (I'm a multi-line'd, very happy Vonage user for 2+ years. No really, see my reviews.)  |
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  asdfdfdf
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If you are seriously considering putting money in now I would be very careful. What you say is true if the company has a real future, but sometimes stock drops because the company is simply a dog.
I have never seen how vonage will be a viable business. In my view it is a short term play, capitalizing on the slow movement of the incumbents and will make money for the bigwigs and the investment bankers, but the long term investor will likely get screwed. Voice is going to be a low cost afterthought bundled into broadband service in the future. It will be dominated by the big players, the bells and cablecos. Vonage has had a period where they have been able to maneuver, but I don't see a long term business. |
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  inteller Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08 Tulsa, OK | reply to JSRoman sounds like it is time to short sell this baby! if you cant make profit on the way up, make a profit on the way down! -- "WHEN THE LAUGH TRACK STARTS THEN THE FUN STARTS!" |
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  kamm
join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY
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| reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail :When the IPO took place and the Vonage CEO had to admit publicly(because of SEC regs) that his company had no prospects of making a profit any time in the foreseeable future, it almost guaranteed the stock would drop in price. But those customers who accepted the IPO price should have to pay for their allotted shares. It looks like Vonage is going to let them off the hook, but they could have forced them to pay up. Some of these people had no business getting involved in an IPO. They are not investors and probably thought they were getting some kind of free ride with a guaranteed profit. After these kind of cable-paid comments floated around and some well-paid articles against Vonage in WSJ, I'm really not surprised the stock went down... |
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  anonposter
@optonline.net | reply to kapil Re: People have no morals
EXACTLY..
Everyone that didn't buy and said they would should be banned from trading for life! |
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 JSRoman Premium join:2005-03-10 Callahan, FL
| reply to kamm Re: Not surprised stock price dropped after IPO
The writing was on the wall.
1- VOnage says they might never make a profit 2- Product that is plentiful and not unique. 3- Cable is coming , cable is coming. 4- Questionable Management background- Citron
Add them all up and you get a 25% drop since IPO.
IMO low single digits by end of the year. -- President Hillary Clinton! Are you scared yet?
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 tbeckner
join:2004-03-20 Bend, OR
| said by JSRoman :IMO low single digits by end of the year. IMHO, mid-single digits before the end of Summer. An I am a Vonage customer and have been for two years. |
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  N3OGH Bear patrol must be working like a charm Premium join:2003-11-11 Philly burbs | reply to kapil Re: People have no morals
Agreed.
It's like playing cards at the casino, and then expecting your money back after you lose.
With investing comes risk. These people got the chance to reap the possible reward without being exposed to any risk. |
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