Derch
Premium
join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | ooohhh...
That mock website is scary  |
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MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
Premium
join:2005-03-14
League City, TX
clubs: | Yeah creeeeepy  |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | Thanks Dane!
Your insight into the industry always makes a fascinating read. Thanks for sharing with us.
-- Rob
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JTRockville
Data Ho
Premium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs: | Nice Price on the "Business T"
Any chance sonic.net is looking to move in to Maryland? |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
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Sonic.net California DSL LATA Map |
Coverage for the Business T product today is California's LATA-1 (national 722), which is the greater San Francisco Bay area and Northward.
Our DSL coverage map is larger - see attached. Sorry we're not in your area! |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
 ·Optimum Online
| Wholesale Pricing?
DJ: The FCC should not set aside essential facilities for the exclusive use of a single company. In all cases, the company which buried the wires should get a return on it's investment, and it should sell wholesale access to that essential facility to others. If one of those is an affiliated ISP, all the better - but there's no legitimate claim that there's a downside in wholesale access.
That is so true. I've noticed that many folks talk about CLECs and ISPs always getting a "free ride on a network they don't own" on this forum.
Can you go into some more detail on wholesale prices to you (roughly) vs. wholesale prices for a small ISP vs. ATT retail?
And on another note, how accomodating is ATT in getting you access to an ordering system, ticketing system, etc.? I briefly dealt with Verizon east in the early days of wholesale and it was an absolute mess (on purpose?).
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
| reply to DaneJasper
One Question:
If I owned SBC, God forbid, why should I be forced to line share my DSL at rates that aren't profitable?
CLECs refuse to answer that question, period. If you are willing to answer, do so. I hate SBC/T, but have to agree with the ILECs that "sharing" lines at cost is NO benefit to them at all.
Example:
I own Rachel's Supermarket and own Atlanta's biz with a 98% market share. If the government told me, you have to lease an aisle at my stores to any competing "company" wanting to sell groceries (aisle at cost), would I comply or tell them to get lost and build your own store? I'd say the later. Even if I made 10% profit on the aisle, why still would I not say get lost and build your own store? |
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | corporate shill |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL | That's no answer! |
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The Gizmo
join:2002-03-12
Pearland, TX
| Monopoly
I agree on the Monopoly part. I live near Houston, less than 30 minutes away, and living in that big of city you'd think I'd be able to get at least SOME kind of broadband right? Nope. All I can get is Dialup/ISDN, technology more than 20 years old. Where as my nextdoor neighboors can get ONE form and ONLY one form of broadband, Road Runner.
I'm not quite sure why Broadband ISPs continue to compete a little bit in areas where they're the only company that offers Broadband, except for their own reputation maybe, when they could be expanding their area instead. |
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JTRockville
Data Ho
Premium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs: | reply to rachelsfx
Re: One Question:
Maybe because there wouldn't even be a "store" (or in this case, communications infrastructure) if the government hadn't built it? |
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justncredible
@rr.com
| reply to sporkme
Re: Wholesale Pricing?
How is it "competing" when you do not own the lines that the service is provided on??
End franchise agreements, open the market to real competition, lay your own lines, you bum. The lines are not owned by the state, they are held by a private company. Stealing is stealing no matter how you try to word it. Franchising at the local level is the problem, it is nothing more than a state controlled monopoly, thanks to the leftist......... |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·BroadVoice
| reply to DaneJasper
Re: Nice Price on the "Business T"
said by DaneJasper  :Glad you like that - it's a great alternative to traditional T1 and T3 products. Faster, cheaper, and built-in redundancy. How do you offer built in redundancy? Is that because you use multiple circuits to provision each "Business T"?
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stonecolddsl
Linux Junkie
join:2004-01-07
Sarasota, FL
 ·Rapid Systems, Inc.
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to rachelsfx
Re: One Question:
Simple, The Government did not give your tax breaks for your sotre the government did not give you money to put your store all over atlanta.
Teleco got alot of money over the years in tax breaks and incentives to wire this country end to end. Cable had no such break or incentive hence why cable is not being force to share. Now Verizon seems to be very open minded to the whole deal of whole sale and the company that I am with now for dsl is also authorized to sell fios over there own network.
You might had a point if the government force to lease an isle out to me and I sold the same products on that isle for half of what you are sellign them for but that is not the case.
The circuit (isle in your scenario) is paid for full retail price plus 10%
My circut charge from Internet junction is almost the same as what Verizon circut charge is about 2 dollars more. But where I save money is that Ij offers business class service for a fraction of the price. 69.99 sith 5 static ips vs verizion 100.00 for 5 static plus a damn usf fee.
All the government is doing is making the telecos play fair on government paid for lines. |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
| reply to wifi4milez
Re: Nice Price on the "Business T"
Yes, that's correct. For example, Business T at 24Mbps/3.0Mbps is built on four 6.0Mbps/768kbps circuits, so if one was to go offline, the circuit would run at 75% speed until repair was completed.
This product comes with a very strong service level agreement, 24x7 support, a four hour time to respond, financial penalties for us in case of outage, etc - just like the T1 and T3 products we sell.
-Dane |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
| reply to stonecolddsl
Re: One Question:
Yes, the government does give me tax breaks. Just like Wally World. My point is: why should they share lines they built with their own money, monopoly or no?
If you're right, why doesn't the power company have to share its lines?
The inevitable is coming: ILECs will NOT have to share its lines unless it wants to. |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
| reply to rachelsfx
This is the common myth - they're not forced to share access to lines at rates which are not profitable! In fact, while in the past ILECs have been required to provide access, THEY set the price!
It's about unbundling, basicly. If a ILEC affiliated ISP can sell consumers DSL with Internet transit, support, email boxes, a personal website, etc at $X at a profit, and if you take out everything except the use of the line, you should be able to sell at $X-$Y, also at a profit!
Let's take the railroad analogy. If there is one railroad that passes through a city, and it's owned by Southern Pacific, you can ship your goods to that city in a Southern Pacific rail car for $1000. They run the locomotive, they've got an engineer driving it, they purchased the freight car the cargo is in, etc.
Or - they can sublease the use of the track to another company, who would haul your freight using their locomotive, their engineer, etc. The cost to that other company might be to use the tracks might be less than the $1000 they'd get by delivering the cargo themselves, but they don't have many of the associated costs.
Both could be profitable for the owner of the essential facility - the rail tracks, or the phone lines.
Rail was regulated like this, a long time ago - everyone recognized that it just wouldn't be practical to have ten or twenty parallel sets of tracks running into every town, mostly idle. Instead, the company that invested in building them gets a bunch of the cash but doesn't have to run the whole end-to-end system. Airports are similar - they're an essential facility, and we don't allow one airline to own them and bar all other carriers. Ports too - they're essential facilities that by their nature must be shared.
Phone lines are the same.
-Dane |
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David
No,there is another.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
clubs:
 ·DIRECTV
·magicjack.com
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to sporkme
Re: Wholesale Pricing?
I think I can give you some generalistics.
I know for a fact that all ISP parteners of AT&T Advanced Solutions have access to contact the ISPSC (ISP Service center) for tickets and order issues and such. I believe they also can get software systems to place orders and such against ASI. I think they are even web based, but not for sure on that one. |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
·Verizon FIOS
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·RoadRunner Cable
·BroadVoice
| reply to DaneJasper
Re: Nice Price on the "Business T"
said by DaneJasper :Yes, that's correct. For example, Business T at 24Mbps/3.0Mbps is built on four 6.0Mbps/768kbps circuits, so if one was to go offline, the circuit would run at 75% speed until repair was completed. This product comes with a very strong service level agreement, 24x7 support, a four hour time to respond, financial penalties for us in case of outage, etc - just like the T1 and T3 products we sell. -Dane Thats pretty cool. Do you provide the same SLA on these "Business T's" as you do your regular T1's? Also, do you bond the circuits on both your end and the customer side, or how is that aspect accomplished?
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AR
Premium,ExMod 2001-04
join:2000-09-21
Toronto, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| Nice interview!
Hey Dane, I've been with Omsoft for over 5 years now but I gotta say, when I heard about the $12 promo from SBC, I had to check with them if I could qualify. I didn't and so I stayed with Omsoft.
How will you compete with SBC on the pricing for the customer who only wants always-on, no frills (that is, doesn't care static vs PPPoE, newsgroups etc) kind of customer? |
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