Transmaster
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2 edits | We are getting there
All you have to do to see this is download a file on a P2P, or Bit torrent. In the old Napster days I though I was in hog heaven with a 10mbps download, I now see transfers of upwards of 200mbps, and I think nothing of grabbing a 2 gig file this would have been a pipe dream in the old days.
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praetoralpha
join:2005-08-06
Mount Vernon, OH
| You can download as much as you (and I) please, but for most Americans, they dont really care how many gigabytes they can download in an hour, or how many days of music that can be downloaded in one hour. They just want to check their email, provided they even have email.
If I didnt have a job, my mom (and I) would still be on dialup. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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| Many slug it with dial up because................
They see no need for high speed.
The cost of a monthly ISP and another phone line would justify broadband. But for someone who just wants to hit email, very light surfing, and maybe a simple chat, then dial up is cheap enough for them.
You can't force someone to have it.
On the other hand, what about those areas either under-served or not served?
Also, did this survey take into account that some may call their work connection a personal connection too? |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: We are getting there
said by Transmaster  :All you have to do to see this is download a file on a P2P, or Bit torrent. In the old Napster days I though I was in hog heaven with a 10mbps download, I now see transfers of upwards of 200mbps, and I think nothing of grabbing a 2 gig file this would have been a pipe dream in the old days. We sure are getting there. Many think we are falling behind. But it is more that many people aren't really interested in broadband because they have no need for it. Many of those on dial-up are only on that because their relatives browbeat them into getting an email address. As the older generation dies off and the younger generation get jobs and homes, broadband will continue to expand at a natural rate.
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Orwell1984
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200mbps? or 200kbps. |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | reply to TKJunkMail
Many people can't justify the price, but wouldn't mind broadband one bit. |
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sirwoogie
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Carleton, MI
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| Bad news for the unlucky Broadband Black Hole User
This simply makes it all the more convincing that those of us in Broadband black holes will not get service for the foreseeable future. More specifically, the people on the edge of broadband deployment have it the worse. Take my situation:
•500ft from nearest cable tap. Tap is the on the wrong side of a railroad track. Charter is the provider, and would require a node build-out on the other side of the track to offer service. 18 bil in debt makes this unlikely.
•Less than 4000 ft. for fringe DSL. No RT in the area, only 10 houses per block. Not "profitable." ISDN is available, but at $60/mo + ~$30/mo ISP. Great deal.
•WISP is 2 miles behind a large hill. They're so mom-and-pop they don't expect to expand EVER.
•EV-DO not deployed to our towers. Oops... it's on the towers farther down the road and out of range.
•Satellite is not a BB alternative when you can find landline access no more than few miles away.
I'm sure there are many of us stuck in this situation, and really have no hope whatsoever to see anything faster than 128kbps anytime soon. |
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JTRockville
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|  Simply Isn't Suitable
said by oliphant :people simply don't want it For some people, the one and only "choice" simply isn't suitable. |
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ispjournalist
@internet.com
| common misconceptions about subscriber numbers
There isn't a 1:1 ration between subscribers and users. A family will have one subscription but many users.
Comcast reports subscribers; Pew is counting users.
Similarly, a home may have more than one internet subscription (tho few do). |
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chemaupr
join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA | WRONG!!!
Is not that they do not want broadband... They just do not want to pay Comcast $40 bucks for it,,, |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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Re: Simply Isn't Suitable
The black hole problem is one if the reasons why I think there should be a federal program like the Tennessee Valley Authority, or the Rural Electrification Act both of the 1930's. This Rural Broadband Act could be setup like the current rural electric Co/Op's. The people getting the service would also be the owners of the company.
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Low voltage Tech's are wimps, Real tech's use 45 pound filament transformers, plate voltages no less then 2400 volts with at least 10 amp's lighting 8877 triodes...BPL I'm coming to get you. |
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older dog
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join:2005-06-09
Norwich, NY
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Re: Many slug it with dial up because................
"Also, did this survey take into account that some may call their work connection a personal connection too?"
In a effort to appear with it. I think, that is where a good percent of the numbers came from.
My neighbor would tell you he has broadband in a effort to appear hip.
He pushes start on a touch screen at work, the office has broadband, so his terminal must have it to.
The study did not seem to give a indication on what if any quality control questions were asked.
To see if the answer given, was what the researcher intended to ask. |
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manfmmd
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Earth
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Re: We are getting there
Broadband, if considered a utility (as many here think), is very reasonable when compared to telephone, gas, electric, water & sewer, etc. Price is no longer a reason, for most people, not to get a broadband internet connection. "Availability" and "need" are the prime factors.
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P2PPirate2
join:2005-02-02
New York, NY | still on dialup??
Americans still believe Dial up internet is more safer then broadband (according to AOL advertisement on TV).LOL |
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garagerock
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join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
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Re: Simply Isn't Suitable
[sarcasm on]oh no you didn't! you didn't just suggest the government actually DO something constructive with the trillions in tax dollars we give them![/sarcasm off]
see, the freemarketeers would have you believe that the free market would have brought rural areas electricity by...oh, last week sometime...if we had just listened to them. no need to bring the whole nation up to speed on this advancement, no siree bob. let the wealthy decide where services like these will be deployed. or better yet, let big wealthy companies decide what's best for every community in their footprint and sue the shite out of them if they dare disobey.
i concur with your assessment; sounds low risk enough for even the tightest amongst us. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| Alot of potential customers are unserved
Is our poor showing in penetration statistics because Americans don't want broadband?
I think alot of the reason for the low numbers, in comparison to other countries, is that alot of potential broadband customers are left unserved. Of those areas where broadband is deployed, the carriers have captured all the "easy" customers. Going after the rest would require signficantly lower pricing, which they don't want to do since it would result in lower total profit.
Look at situations like the Shutesbury-Leverett one. A couple of towns filled with University professionals.; if broadband were to be available there, the adoption rate would be very, very high. If those towns were located in another country, they likely would have broadband, as in most other countries there is either an official commitment to universal access, or an unofficial understanding of the concept (even in countries like the UK, where BB deployment is privately-implemented).
But here in the U.S., they don't have BB simply because Verizon decided not to give it to them. And that's OK with government policy here, where broadband is regarded as a frivelous, luxury item, something akin to having a Starbucks at the street corner. It's not considered to be a driver of economic growth and prosperity, like it is in other countries. |
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Nuts
join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH
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Re: Simply Isn't Suitable
US Dept. of Ag has a program for rural areas. »www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/index.htm
However, the way I read it, is only for cities, towns, and villages. Also, if the area already has a least one broadband provider, then the funds are not avaiable.
To me the big question is whether internet access is getting to be important for everyday living. Followed up by whether or not broadband access important or not. I don't know what the answer is today to either one of these quetions, but yes for the first is coming quick, if not there, and yes to the second won't be far behind. Therefore, should the lines used for broadband be owned by the private sector, or the public. Not talking about content, but the access. Perhaps think in terms of roads and highways. The government builds and maintains the roads, but people have free access to them.
I do think people should be allowed to form coop for broadband, VOIP, and Cable TV if they wish. I'm a member of an electric coop, and this it works very well. If nothing else, it would but ownership into the hands of the coop memebers, and keep the telco's and cable operators from forming monopolies
Just my two cents |
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amungus
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join:2004-11-26
America
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Re: Bad news for the unlucky Broadband Black Hole User
satellite broadband actually impressed me quite a bit. It does have a slight latency of course, but the speed is fantastic from what I've experiencd... darn near dsl in terms of throughput. that has to really stink being just outside of reach of a good terrestrial broadband...
I just wanted to say that when I helped set up a wireless network for a friend who had to get satellite for vpn access, that it was actually very tolerable, and that I was highly impressed with the speeds, and latency wasn't as bad as some think... definitely not able to game, but if you need throughput, it really is worth it if you can take the initial investment hit in getting it going...
on another note, does a friendly neighbor have any wifi they'd be willing to share across the tracks???
I think price is also an issue for many... $40+ for internet just seems steep... esp. to some who were able to get free access from universities way back in the day.
If profits weren't such a huge motivator, many more like you would have had it years ago... and really, they might've even made some of their money back by now with long term subscribers and having a whole area feeling "included" with everyone else. |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
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Re: We are getting there
When we're talking about the nation's poorer subscribers, yes, price is the prime factor. Broadband is still around double the cost of dialup, so many ask, "Why do we need to spend more for something we already have?" if they have it at all.
If it were considered a utility, the whole game would change. But, currently, it is not. |
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Michieru2
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL | reply to TKJunkMail
We are not falling behind, we are catching up. |
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