Chiyo
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join:2003-02-20
Minneapolis, MN
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| spelling alert
it says "The bill" twice 
Also I think this is a trick, all these companies have lobbyiests they are scared, but on the other hand I agree and I'm glad the provisions are no longer in the bill.
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Blah blah blah
We are a land of the sheeple governed by rats and run by corporations. What sheeple will get is what they ask for through their lack of objection to the legislation. Then let the whining commence.
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Vig
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join:2004-03-23
San Diego, CA | reply to Chiyo
Re: spelling alert
There's nothing wrong with the spelling. Even a lobbyiest could tell you that. |
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ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
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| I like this part...
Internet Giants such as Yahoo, Microsoft, Google, and others have rallied, says the Washington Post and are begging lawmakers to act.
Haven't they learned that begging to politicians falls on deaf ears?? Ye has to pull out lots of greenbacks to get something done in D.C.
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast
|  Content providers won't get the blank check they want
Internet content providers are whining over nothing. There is plenty of enforcement in this bill. What it doesn't have is the blank check the content providers wanted that makes sure they can avoid any costs for their tremendous increase in bandwidth requirements.
Anyway, it doesn't really matter. No "network neutrality" bill had any chance of getting out of Congress this year. The only thing that will make it through is a national "video franchising" law.
A committee spokesman said the bill gave the FCC ample enforcement authority, including fines.
"The bill has more teeth than a pit bull, starting with full Title V enforcement authority for the FCC to investigate cases and slap violators with fines up to $25,000 a day," said Larry Neal, the committee's deputy staff director for communications.
"What it doesn't have is a blank check for bureaucrats to write so many regulations that they'll choke off brand-new services even before consumers try them out."
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radarman
join:2005-06-01
Odenton, MD
| Since when did Internet content providers get a break? As far as I can tell, they still pay their upstream ISP if they use more bandwidth - and in a lot of cases, that can add up quickly.
That's the subtle little lie that the bells aren't admitting - nobody is getting a free ride as it stands. Everyone pays to put packets on the Internet. AT&T is irritated because they feel everyone should be paying them *IN ADDITION TO* their upstream provider. They want to be a defacto tax authority on the 'net. |
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sporkme
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join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
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said by TKJunkMail  :Internet content providers are whining over nothing. There is plenty of enforcement in this bill. What it doesn't have is the blank check the content providers wanted that makes sure they can avoid any costs for their tremendous increase in bandwidth requirements. If "nothing" = being double-billed, then, yeah, they have nothing to "whine" about.
Content providers pay for the bandwidth they use. Some folks are just upset that they are paying a competitor. This is NOT the phone network with recip comp (yet).
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL
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| Internet net giants
need to put their money where their mouth is the cablecos and telcos have put up 152 million in lobby money in congress the internet companies only put about 10% of that 2gether plus the isp's been lobbing for years they already know who they have in their back pocket |
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richardpor
Fur it up
join:2003-04-19
Portland, OR
| Then if I may say tell your congress critter and no load activist to shut the - up!
They probably would have put the 152 million into infrastructure if they did not have to fight showboating politicians and multi billion companies who want a free ride on the net. This is a fine example what dammage government regulation can cause.
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bolt
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join:2003-11-11
Charlestown, IN
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| said by richardpor :They probably would have put the 152 million into infrastructure if they did not have to fight showboating politicians and multi billion companies who want a free ride on the net. This is a fine example what dammage government regulation can cause. I beg to differ. The telcos and cable cos have proven time and again that they would rather pay off senators and other government officials than actually sink money into improvements. And just who is getting a free ride? The telcos and cable cos are free to cherry pick the most profitable ares, while ignoring anything they don't want to deal with. The country's broadband infrastructure (or lack of it) shows that. Everyone involved is already paying for the bandwidth they use, including you, me, and the content providers. Why should any of use have to pay more, especially when we are doing nothing than filling their coffers so they can not provide any better service
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Let us think about who is getting a free ride. First I would pose the question what gives value to a network? The answer is content. Without content it is worthless. TV and radio both have to pay for the content that gives value to their services.Radio even goes a step farther in that is illegal to pay to have your songs aired. IMHO any reasonable person can see that the ISPs are the ones getting a free ride. All they do is provide a connection ( at a substantial cost to the customer) and all of the content that gives value to their service is provided free of any charge to the ISP.The providers of the content pay to get their product on the web the ISPs customer pays to get it back off.Only free ride I see is the ISP making money off of other peoples content without any compensation to the provider. |
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braynes
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join:2005-03-14
Waterville, ME
1 edit | Pay phone in every house
This is the same shit as the telecoms try to pull in the 80's with Message rate crap.
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wtansill
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join:2000-10-10
Falls Church, VA
|  Can someone please explain this to me...
As a consumer, I pay for my DSL connection to the Internet. No Free Ride there...
Google, Yahoo and other "Content Providers" pay significant sums of money for multiple high-bandwidth lines in order to make their content available to others. No free ride there...
Various backbone providers pay interconnect fees via "peering arrangements" so that their networks can talk to each other and pass data back and forth. Hmm -- no free ride there either...
So, someone please explain to me just who the hell is getting this supposed "free ride"? Why should the content providers pay even more on top of the exorbitant rates they already pay for OC-class pipes (or better) just to continue receiving the same class of service that they already enjoy? Honestly, I feel so stupid some days... (you needn't agree with that, BTW...)
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Eric Martin
join:2005-06-19
66308 | The internet is a failure
It's not affordable and has been targetted by the monopolies.
I hope it's destroyed and so we can build a new network thats safer ,faster and affordable.
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bolt
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Charlestown, IN
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Re: Internet net giants
Exactly how are the ISP's getting free ride. They are purchasing larger blocks of service and reselling those in smaller chunks for the individual consumer. I still don't see how it's a free ride. If you don't like paying an ISP for service, maybe you should go right to the telco, of course providing they want to service you. I, for one applaud the many small independent ISP's as they are the ones who have provided connectivity when the telcos and cable cos were (are) to small-minded to see the need.
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nonner9
join:2005-10-14
Charlotte, NC
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Re: Can someone please explain this to me...
Exactly... everyone is already paying for their own bandwidth...
if anyone should be paying more, it's the customers who are requesting the information, if bellsouth needs to upgrade their lines then that's an expensive that should come out of their revenue from customers paying to use those lines. of course that would be suicide to charge customers more and more, when you have cash cow websites who can.... |
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY
| Scandal
I hope this scam ends in all the people who proposed it being fired, put in jail for 25 years, and then forced to do community service for 10 years after. Call me a troll if you wish, but this is so evil on so many levels the people who thought of this idea must be punished, I don't care if it's implemented or not preemptive action is the way to go. |
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nonner9
join:2005-10-14
Charlotte, NC
| reply to bolt
Re: Internet net giants
it's a free ride for ISPs, in the sense that the connection is useless without any content to connect to
so the value of the internet connection is directly tied to the fact that their is content which is available through the connection... in other words, nobody in their right mind would pay for an internet connection to a new Internet-3 if there is no content available on Internet-3
so, the ISP is getting a free ride from content providers (google, yahoo, porn, games...) without that content, they wouldn't be selling a connection at all |
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LinuxJunkie
join:2005-01-19
Cyberspace | reply to Vig
Re: spelling alert
Touché. |
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DSLdewd
join:2004-06-05
Denver, CO | tax dollars at work
This entire bill / idea is so incredibly stupid it makes my head hurt. I can't believe people actually have to waste their time to discuss this kind of crap in Washington. How about this, just say no!
See....its easy. |
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