Djinnmage
join:2004-03-14
Fairfax, VA | What about outages?
So when the network goes down, those people won't be able to view the content they recorded, right? Whereas with a DVR they could view that content anytime I believe. |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
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| This should help TiVo, if they actually do this that is...
If the cable companies kill off their DVRs then I think TiVo should see more sales. I don't think they'll actually get rid of their DVRs though
The problem with storing all your shows at the head-end is what you can't watch any recorded shows when your cable is out. Also congestion can cause control/streaming issues.
Finally the cable company can decide to just wipe your shows out if they need more space or the MPAA decides you shouldn't have that movie/show on "your DVR".
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tnroroc
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Matawan, NJ
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Re: What about outages?
Plus it's just another example of turning over your life's details, since they will now know what you record.
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tparker1
join:2004-09-29
Winston Salem, NC | Cablevision
Even better is a HTPC.That way you record and it doesn't cost anything.The DVR is a nice device just too expensive. |
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midranger4
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join:2002-01-18
Levittown, PA
| Depends on functionality
If the fast forward function is the same as *On Demand* in Comcast then I would be very displeased if Comcast took this route.
I have heard rumblings that eliminating the DVR is a first step in putting an end to the *digital skip* function many of us DVR users have programmed into our remotes.
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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|  Time Warner's product ended due to legal challenges
The Time Warner version of remote DVR never launched because of legal issues brought up by the content providers. Will Cablevision beat off legal challenges to their service?
The big difference between the Time Warner product and the Cablevision one is that Time Warner recorded EVERYTHING they broadcast and then let the user choose and replay it at leisure. The Cablevision product will force users to set up recordings using their remotes just like you would with a regular DVR. They hope that will prevent the networks from charging breach of contract on their broadcast contracts with Cablevision. I guess the test period is to see if any lawsuits are launched.
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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Re: What about outages?
said by Djinnmage  :So when the network goes down, those people won't be able to view the content they recorded, right? Whereas with a DVR they could view that content anytime I believe. Also, the space they are setting aside is only 80 GB. That is less than the std 120 or 160 GB available on most cable company DVRs and much less than many TIVO based DVRs. And if you record HDTV shows, that space will be eaten up very quickly.
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Foxbat121
join:2001-04-25
Herndon, VA
| Multi-Room capable
If it allows me to access my DVR content from any of my two HDTVs, I may consider. However, given that my internet connection may be saturated by TV contents to and from ISP, I may not want to do that for the sake of gaming. Besides, how many programs can you record at once while playing back another one? If my local Cox goes that router, I'll cancel the service and switch to FIOS promptly. |
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SD6
join:2005-03-26
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Re: This should help TiVo, if they actually do this that is...
said by Morac :If the cable companies kill off their DVRs then I think TiVo should see more sales. I don't think they'll actually get rid of their DVRs though The problem with storing all your shows at the head-end is what you can't watch any recorded shows when your cable is out. Also congestion can cause control/streaming issues. Finally the cable company can decide to just wipe your shows out if they need more space or the MPAA decides you shouldn't have that movie/show on "your DVR". This doesn't sound as though they are prohibiting DVRs - just providing an additional option. It should see some success with less sophisticated subscribers, it's up to CV to not screw it up.
Most of the time is cable is out because the programming is interrupted before or at the headend. It is rarely because of congestion/interruptions between the headend and the subscriber.
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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Re: Depends on functionality
said by midranger4 :If the fast forward function is the same as *On Demand* in Comcast then I would be very displeased if Comcast took this route. I have heard rumblings that eliminating the DVR is a first step in putting an end to the *digital skip* function many of us DVR users have programmed into our remotes. Even worse, they plan on inserting ads into the programs. The news item doesn't say if they will do this to recorded content that doesn't already have ads like Showtime or HBO.
And eventually, it will be able to insert different ads for different viewers into recorded programs each time they are played back.
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DaSneaky1D
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
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Re: What about outages?
said by tnroroc :Plus it's just another example of turning over your life's details, since they will now know what you record. Uh, if you have any digital service, they'll know what you're doing with it. Trust, you are not hiding a thing from them.
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Ignite
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join:2004-03-18
UK
clubs: | reply to Foxbat121
Re: Multi-Room capable
Ummm it won't use the same bandwidth as your internet service, not at all. |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| Program storage limit?
If 100 people record tonights episode of 24 how does it makes sense to take one hour of record time out of all of their storage limits? Shouldn't only one file be created no matter how many people recorded it? And then if you forgot to set up a recording, shouldn't you have access to the recording as long as someone else remembered to save it? |
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
USA
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Re: Multi-Room capable
said by Foxbat121 :If it allows me to access my DVR content from any of my two HDTVs, I may consider. That's the only upside that I can think of. Currently, I have Time Warner Cable with a DVR in my living room and an extra receiver in my bedroom. I'd love to be able to sit in bed and watch DVR content even if the content was recorded by my DVR in the living room.
Of course, knowing the cable companies, we'll probably have to enable the "DVR service" on each box separately for a separate fee.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: What about outages?
said by TKJunkMail :said by Djinnmage :So when the network goes down, those people won't be able to view the content they recorded, right? Whereas with a DVR they could view that content anytime I believe. Also, the space they are setting aside is only 80 GB. That is less than the std 120 or 160 GB available on most cable company DVRs and much less than many TIVO based DVRs. And if you record HDTV shows, that space will be eaten up very quickly. And actually it is Cablevision who offers expandable SA DVRs for more tha a year now - it has an external SATA port, so you can buy extra storage drives and not only from Scientific Atlanta IIRC but from brand. |
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jtudor
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join:2002-12-07
Morganton, NC
| reply to insomniac84
Re: Program storage limit?
Not gonna happen that way, it's way too logical. You have to remember that you are dealing with corporate big wigs here who are not interested in innovation or logic, just $$$$$. And they have no technological savvy either soooo...
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Varlik
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join:2002-01-06
Anderson, SC
| Missing the boat
They still just don't get it. This is all about content control. The more they try to control the more folks will turn away in disgust from their services. Selling open services that offer flexibility will only increase sells and profitability. 80G is a joke if your going to give folks a means to store content give them a means to store content.
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GhostDoggy
join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA | Something Evil This Way Comes
I'm betting the quality of the 'stored' copies will be reduced, having limited access, and provide a means to start charging per a per-viewing fee in time. This will only serve to get people back into buying standalone PVR equipment like TiVo. |
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yock
TFTC
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join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: What about outages?
You know, I'm really torn on this one. On one hand, it's really nice when you don't have this big ugly device sitting next to your TV, and it's especially nice when you have transparent, remotely managed services available for a fair price. Simple is elegant, in my opinion.
The problem comes in choice. Users should have a choice as to whether or not they get remote, managed service or a local upgradable device. Perhaps in the long run there isn't any difference between the two, so long as the price for the service remains in check, which can only occur if devices remain available....oh the irony! I think the room is spinning...
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
| Can any TV view it?
If any TV can view what you record at the head end, then it's a huge plus. Right now we have a DVR and there's exactly one place we can view the shows that we record. Granted, there are various esoteric schemes to "share" DVR video with other TVs but all involve consuming resources on the in-home DVR. if storing it at the head end and having a "thin" device for every TV allows simplified sharing among more than two TVs at the same time, this is a BIG plus in my book. |
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