LiberalKing
Intocable
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join:2005-09-12
Bronx, NY | FIRST POST
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BloodRoses
Gods lend wings to tainted hearts
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join:2003-03-17
clubs: | SECOND POST
I WIN
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Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
Consultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
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said by LiberalKing  : First moron, more like it.said by the article :
it was not really designed to stop programs from getting out (phoning home) Is "was in no way designed for" different from "was not really designed for" ? I think the latter suggests a minor effort which expects to fail, while the former suggests that the issue was not addressed in any way.
The XP/SP2 firewall is strictly inbound - by design - and though one can make a fair case for a firewall in both directions, hinting that XP/SP2 doesn't do such a good job on the outbound side is really disingenuous.
Steve
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mooty
join:2001-01-28
Riverdale, GA | TADDDDAAA !
FOURTH POST !  Darn ! I just missed the Bronze medal! |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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Re: FIRST POST
said by Steve :The XP/SP2 firewall is strictly inbound - by design - and though one can make a fair case for a firewall in both directions, hinting that XP/SP2 doesn't do such a good job on the outbound side is really disingenuous. I've read that the firewall that comes with Windows Vista will be a true 2 way firewall. The existing firewall vendors are already probably having their lawyers draw up anti-trust charges against Microsoft.
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC | Zonealarm Free vs Pro?
Why does the free version of zonealarm fail miserably in the test, but the pro version does not, even though they are reporting the same version number? |
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL | Profit |
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taar
join:2000-11-21 | Time to go Pro i guess. |
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BillRoland
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join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
clubs:
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| reply to Steve
Re: FIRST POST
said by Steve :said by LiberalKing : First moron, more like it. said by the article :
it was not really designed to stop programs from getting out (phoning home) Is "was in no way designed for" different from "was not really designed for" ? I think the latter suggests a minor effort which expects to fail, while the former suggests that the issue was not addressed in any way. The XP/SP2 firewall is strictly inbound - by design - and though one can make a fair case for a firewall in both directions, hinting that XP/SP2 doesn't do such a good job on the outbound side is really disingenuous. Steve Amen Steve . I'd really like to know why an inbound only firewall failing an outboung firewall test, is news?
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
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Is this guy someone I should care about and just managed to never hear about before, or what?
Based on his webpage he doesn't exactly strike me as someone I exactly trust; starting with the fact that he fails to mention the reason XP fails all the tests and several of the tests are testing not the firewall but vulnerabilities in windows that would cause the firewall to fail but doesn't make it easy to find that fact out. I mean the guy goes to the trouble of making you view an explanation page but fails to mention the reasons why might not care if a firewall doesn't pass a particular test.
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JoeOnSunset
Doublethink Is Doubleplus Ungood.
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join:2002-11-25
Ormond Beach, FL
| reply to LiberalKing
Re: FIRST POST
This makes me want to bang my head on a table. Why is it news that software not designed to do something, lo and behold, doesn't do that thing? Arrrg! Here's a newsflash: I designed a great new test suite and found out that my television fails miserably at recording to DVDs. It wasn't really designed to be a DVD recorder, you see. |
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lemonade
join:2003-12-13
Los Angeles, CA | Jetico???
i notice Jetico seems perform best among all the candidates, anyone used it before? recommend? |
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PGHammer
join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD
clubs:
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| said by lemonade :i notice Jetico seems perform best among all the candidates, anyone used it before? recommend? I noticed that. Amazingly, it's a freeware product (the *only* freeware product in the Advanced Category). As to why Free fails where Pro does not (Zone Alarm), there has to be a *reason* to upgrade to Pro (unfortunately, that reason is a more secure product). |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | reply to lemonade
I think I will be dumping my mccaffe personal firewall plus for jetico freeware has more protection than software you pay for is just crazy |
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XBL2009
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join:2001-01-03
Chicago, IL
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| reply to Matt
Re: Zonealarm Free vs Pro?
said by Matt :Why does the free version of zonealarm fail miserably in the test, but the pro version does not, even though they are reporting the same version number? The Pro version is more sophisticated and of course they charge for it. |
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jdmatl
join:2000-04-27
Deerfield Beach, FL | reply to odreian615
Jetico???
I believe that freeware version jetico is the *last* free version. Jetico is releasing a shareware version. don't know the price yet. They will probably keep the freeware version and offer a more "features" version of shareware. |
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Phylop
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join:2002-11-17
Reston, VA | reply to BloodRoses
Re: FIRST POST
Isn't there a rule against "first post" posts? |
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commodog
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join:2000-02-03
Oxnard, CA | Shocking!
In other news:
In a series of scientific and expensive tests:
Automobiles will not run on pepsi. In fact it failed everytime.. |
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Mordy
Comfortably Numb
Premium,MVM,ExMod 2004-07
join:2001-12-02
Denver, CO
·Comcast Formerly ..
| reply to lemonade
Re: Jetico???
I took Jetico off my machine. The reason that it is such a tight firewall is that it stops just about every activity you do on your machine, nonstop. Look at the task manager - get it blocked. Load your mouse driver - get it blocked. Access your control panel - get it blocked. It blocked programs that were not trying to get outside of the firewall, instead of monitoring those programs for some kind of exploit. It also had this nifty problem of not remembering the decisions that it made; every time I started my computer it asked if I wanted to execute my startup programs, no matter whether I added the program to my trusted programs. It blocked my AV program from scanning my inbound email. It also corrupted my Spyware Sweeper; and instead of letting me use Bit Comet by just approving it, it blocked every single peer IP that it connected to.
Yeah, it's a hell of a firewall for people who don't really have anything they need to do with their computer. |
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watcher2
@207.67.x.x
| grow up and stop name calling
To call someone a moron for making a harmless playful post is a really classless thing to do. Maybe I could understand if they had called you a nasty name or used some bad language. Sounds like the name callers still have a lot of growing up to do. They should be ashamed and apologize to the 1st poster here. Maybe they feel because they spend half their life hanging out at some internet forum they have some kind of right to thoughtlessly insult others? I would politely suggest to them to "get a life" !!! |
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