batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs: | Shell game.
It is a shell game being played by giants. What do people expect, it had been going on in business form day one. |
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Rob A
Same Old Jets
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join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ
| LMAO
"Meanwhile the cable industry continues to treat price-reduction of any kind as some kind of highly contagious disease."
I just fell of my chair after reading that, lol.
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | Stand Alone Cable
I still can't get over how much a stand-alone cable broadband line costs if you don't want to pile on the services.
$45 through Time Warner, much more through Comcast I think. This bundle-madness irritates me. |
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MemphisPCGuy
Senior Systems Engineer
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join:2004-05-09
Memphis, TN
 ·Comcast
| I got a Gmail account ....
...so from here on out every year I will simply play Cable against DSL for the best 'swap' deals.
Paying $119.00 for HDTV Digital Cable/Internets/Digital Phone this year .. next year I'll see what Bellsotuh will do to take me back for a year.
Same game we have all played with Credit Cards is now here for Broadband.... let the games begin!
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gpancner
join:2001-09-27
Nine Mile Falls, WA | and how is this different than with our cell phones?
We have more stuff available via cell phones now and the prices we have to pay don't seem to be affected by competition. |
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EnasYorl
Thieves World
join:2001-12-02
West
 ·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | It's not a Price war it's a Market Share war.
»www.cedmagazine.com/toc-bbdirect···302.html
Direct link to story »www.cedmagazine.com/article/CA6312448.html |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
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Re: I got a Gmail account ....
And as soon as this becomes and obvious trend, don't you think that they will both do as cell providers have? 2 year contracts for a possible 9 month or 12 month reduction. Year two, the obligated additional year, will be full rate?
These deals are for new customers. They do track the price shoppers. All this will do is cause them to go away.
Remember when you could get an actual $80 check for switching long distance? Sheesh, I used to make about $170 a month just constantly cashing long distance checks "just for switching" - Honestly, sometimes I never knew who my carrier was. I got the check, I'd endorse it and deposit it.
Ultimately, the check promos stopped. They realized it was a loss. When one side stops, so will the other.
I personally see the two sides reducing their specials all together or SERIOUSLY cutting them down. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to batterup
Re: Shell game.
A business will charge what the market will bear. As long as new customers keep signing up there is no incentive to lower the price. Simple supply and demand. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligopoly
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
 ·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | DSL rates going up? I just don't see it.
Is this supposed average increase based on people who just pay their "full" $39-$49 DSL rate and not bother re-rating to a new package deal?
Come on, for the two biggest telcos, DSL is cheaper than ever. Verizon has their $14.99 DSL plan and SBC has their $12.99 deal. Even existng SBC customers have been able to get re-rated to 3mbps service for $17.99. Others just hop ISPs to get a good promo.
SBC also *finally* reduced the regular month-to-month price on their DSL circuits. It's not *just* a promo war.
Following the chain of linked stories, I don't see any explanation for the expected increase in average price paid for DSL. There's no reason for the average to go up.
Bundled service can't be included in the argument because some cable companies (Comcast is the most notorious) charge significantly more or give less speed, practically forcing you to buy basic cable with a cablemodem.
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dsl15
join:2004-02-08
Columbia, SC | Competition
It's simple alls we need is some more competition »sanswire.com/ |
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
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Re: DSL rates going up? I just don't see it.
This "story" also forgets that as prices have dropped more people are trading up to a faster (and more expensive) connection. As more people go from, say, 1500/384 for $18 to 3000/512 for $26 the "average" price goes up, but it's an apples to bananas comparison. A legitimate analysis would compare the same speed tier price now vs. last year or the year before. You won't find a legitimate analysis in these pages though.
Even Sprint, who arguably has the highest prices for DSL, is lowering them.
The bleating about needing a phone line (or cable for that matter) is like complaining that your electricity costs more than you think it should because you need to pay for maintaining the wires to get it you.
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KeepOnRockin
Music Lover Forever
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join:2002-11-08
Beaverton, OR
·Comcast
| reply to Rob A
Re: LMAO
said by Rob A  :"Meanwhile the cable industry continues to treat price-reduction of any kind as some kind of highly contagious disease." I just fell of my chair after reading that, lol. ROFL. The sad part is it's true!  |
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cdigioia
Premium
join:2005-06-08
korea, repub
·Korea Telecom
1 edit | Prices aren't going up
They say prices are PROJECTED to go up less than a dollar, and that doesn't take into account inflation!
Inflation was 1.9% in 2005 (source: Federal Reserve)
Their comparison was from 2005 prices, to projected 2006 prices (how they can claim to project that accurately I have no idea).
Asuming inflation is the same in 2006, then the inflation-adjusted price would be $38.49...slightly lower than the price in 2005.
So in reality, prices are projected to go DOWN next year. But I suppose inflation doesn't matter 
And as other's have said, that's also only the average connection price that's going down a bit. Price per kbit/sec is going WAY down. |
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NY Tel
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join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo
| reply to Minister
Re: Stand Alone Cable
said by Minister :I still can't get over how much a stand-alone cable broadband line costs if you don't want to pile on the services. $45 through Time Warner, much more through Comcast I think. This bundle-madness irritates me. $59.99 from Time Warner in New York City if you have the "el-cheapo" TV tier. |
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gigahurtz
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join:2001-10-20
Palm Coast, FL
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| reply to RadioDoc
Re: DSL rates going up? I just don't see it.
said by RadioDoc :The bleating about needing a phone line (or cable for that matter) is like complaining that your electricity costs more than you think it should because you need to pay for maintaining the wires to get it you. I just don't buy that. I had a cable internet connection with NO installation costs and no additional taxes at one point. No questions asked. The network is already there (unlike FIOS where the lines have to be run to the home).
If this service would be offered I might actually consider switching to DSL. |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting
3 edits | reply to RadioDoc
Telco Fanboy Much?
The average DSL price data is the TIA's own projected numbers. If they could have spun them like you did to suggest prices were seriously dropping, without being laughed at, they would have. How do you spin the increasing cost of POTS?
As for your disregard of naked DSL, that's a curious argument. I should pay for a landline I don't need because it helps maintain the wires? |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | reply to NY Tel
Re: Stand Alone Cable
You're kidding? |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting
| reply to cdigioia
Re: Prices aren't going up
quote:
Asuming inflation is the same in 2006, then the inflation-adjusted price would be $38.49...slightly lower than the price in 2005.
You're arguing the difference of an increase in pennies to the difference in the decrease in pennies. The fact remains the average price paid by consumers for DSL is not dropping. quote:
And as other's have said, that's also only the average connection price that's going down a bit. Price per kbit/sec is going WAY down.
That is not being passed on to consumers, any which way it's spun. |
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NY Tel
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join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo
| reply to Minister
Re: Stand Alone Cable
said by Minister :You're kidding? Would I kid anyone?
That's why I dumped it from my NY apartment.
I now have DSL at 3.0 X 768 and it is much fater than TWC ever was.
59.99 if you have Basic cable, $44.95 if you subscribe to the next tier of TV. The 59.99 is really ridiculous.
Here's a snippet taken directly from their web site:
»www.timewarnercable.com/nyandnj/···ult.html
With Wireless Road Runner you can now enjoy the mobility and flexibility of Road Runner in any room in your home without being connected to a cable modem. We provide installation and support of a wireless modem and up to 5 wireless connections all for the low monthly rate of $4.95* (*Note: This rate is in addition to the regular RR monthly rate of $44.95 for standard customers, or $59.95 for basic-only or non-cable customers). Activation charge is $80.45 for up to 2 wireless connections, and $49.95 for each additional connection, up to 5 connections. Each subsequent visit for additional connections is $80.45 (not to exceed a total of 5 connections). |
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to Minister
Re: DSL rates going up? I just don't see it.
I guess since you have nothing legitimate to say you resort to the usual lame "fanboy" crap.
As for your disregard for reality, that's a curious troll. Covad will gladly sell you "naked DSL". It costs more because Covad has to lease the loop, but hey, you'll be "naked".
Where is "Fleeting", anyway? Must suck to live there. Over here in the real world, my DSL + phone line costs less today than it did six years ago, and the speed is eight times faster.
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