N0_Nam3
join:2002-06-14
Leamington, ON | haha
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| You can't block everything
So they clamp down on ports 1720 and 1750. Torrents will just move to 1721 and 1751. No matter what they do, people will still work around it.
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bamabrad
join:2006-01-27
Port Orange, FL | Rogers....
Why don't you (Rogers) just go the way in which the consumers WANT to go instead of forcing us into your way-Does this not make good business sense? |
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drunkgoat
join:2004-04-18 | reply to cdru
Re: You can't block everything
As a rogers customer, it doesn't matter which port you use anymore, the safe havens of 1720 and 1750 are no longer there, they throttle bit torrent traffic by recognising the header not by port. |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| said by drunkgoat  :they throttle bit torrent traffic by recognising the header not by port. So then someone will come out with a hack to make the headers look like something it's not. Or as the summary said, encrypt it flat out.
It's a cat and mouse game, and everytime the cat (Rogers) catches a mouse, another mouse will appear somewhere else and start scurrying around.
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corster
Premium
join:2002-02-23
Ottawa, ON
clubs: 
| Rogers Lied, 3 Died
Rogers likes to lie about anything and everything they can.
Blacking out ABC during the Superbowl - "ABC Buffalo is down' and we can't get their feed".
Yeah Right. That's why it came back on right after the Superbowl 
"We don't throttle. It's your computers problem."
"No, 128/3 is an acceptable speed on your 3000/384 service. It must be a problem with your computer".
Screw You Ted. Screw You. |
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| Dump Rogers
While some will disagree with me,you must show you mean business and leave rogers.I understand that sure you can only get 1 or 2 mb on dsl but isnt that better than 0-20KB for your torrents?Plus you have a cap(while it maynot be enforced today but what about tommorow?).Talk with your wallet,thats the only way they listen. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| Just Block Everything
<sarcasm>
Rogers should just block all traffic to and from any port. This will completely solve their bandwidth problems.
</sarcasm>
As for their users... stop complaining here and switch to someone else if you can, or just drop Rogers completely if you cannot use their service the way you want to. There is no reason to pay for something you cannot use!
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huh
@208.17.x.x | Why waste the time?
Bittorrent sucks anyway. I cannot see the reason anyone uses that...on word-
Usenet. |
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Shark_615
join:2006-01-17
Pickering, ON
| so what
This is what happens when 1% of the users are consuming 90% of the bandwidth.
I am glad they are throttling those wasters of bandwidth. Ther e is no need to download everything left right and centre, if people are "just" downloading linux it wouldn't be an issue and Rogers wouldn't be doing this. |
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Roundboy
Premium
join:2000-10-04
Drexel Hill, PA
| said by Shark_615 :This is what happens when 1% of the users are consuming 90% of the bandwidth. I am glad they are throttling those wasters of bandwidth. Ther e is no need to download everything left right and centre, if people are "just" downloading linux it wouldn't be an issue and Rogers wouldn't be doing this. Hello! Welcome to the internet!
Rogers is NOT throttling connections.. its outright blocking the bittorrent applicaion from sharing & connecting.
This affects quite a bit more then 'linux ISO downloads' .. it is in use by many sites to serve patches & demos (including World of Warcraft), which is increasing by the day. Also many people find it a perfect alternative to website bandwidth limitations when hosting large-ish files, as torrent'ing them spreads the bandwidth around.
As a new internet user, I'm sure you'll soon see that Bittorrent traffic != Illegal Traffic.
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csnewbie
join:2001-02-12
Atlanta, GA
| reply to Shark_615
if you pay for unlimited internet access, then you should get it. not throttle your bandwidth and limit your usage. if you can't provide unlimited then dont advertise it.
if people can't use their high speed internet however they want then why bother to pay 3 or 4 times as much for it? would it not be wise to stick with dialup if all u were doing is just checking email and browsing? |
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Shark_615
join:2006-01-17
Pickering, ON
| reply to Roundboy
Are you new to reading?
I said that if the majority of BT downloads were used for legal activities then the amount of traffic wouldn't have bothered Rogers and they would not have installed anti-bt measures.
They are not blocking bt they are severly minimizing it. But of course you wouldknow, you ARE a rogers customer right? |
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MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY
clubs:
| What genius
what genius decided to use arbitrary ports 1720 and 1750?
seems like some douche posted that it works on those 2 ports and EVERYBODY LIKE SHEEP started following.
why not just use RANDOM port numbers each time you start bt?
geez
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Driscollw
join:2003-01-11
Virginia Beach, VA
| This is BS
If a company doesn't want you to consume 90% of THEIR bandwidth the companies should sell it that way. Don't claim UNLIMITED and then put on caps. Some VOIP companies say Unlimited calling (But not to exceed 2500 minutes monthly). Companies should be honest of there claims. Then they say "It's unlimited content" not unlimited as in Buffet. BS. AOL sold internet for $20 for 20 hrs. We understood. Then they went unlimited. Not once did they warn me for taking to much bandwidth or being on to long. But, they did disconnect after too much idle time.
I don't take to much bandwidth but, if cox sold me a 5000/2000 connection for 60GB/10GB I still would buy it but, I would understand the limits. They won't sell it that way because all other ISP would take it as an opportunity. GOOD!. All this crap w/ 2 tier internet is BS. It's just putting us further and further behind in technology. The US will come around. All these major corporations are loosing control. CD, DVD, TV copying (archiving), internet, telephone. everyone is just freaking out due to money that they are loosing. They have made TONS of money over the years. Come up with something new to offer us and I might bite. |
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Roundboy
Premium
join:2000-10-04
Drexel Hill, PA
1 edit | reply to Shark_615
Re: so what
said by Shark_615 :Are you new to reading? Ah! I see what you did there.
said by Shark_615 :I said that if the majority of BT downloads were used for legal activities then the amount of traffic wouldn't have bothered Rogers and they would not have installed anti-bt measures. Super. But, *my* post implied that one could generate as much perfectly legal traffic as illegal download traffic. So, Rodgers is not a perfect, unique snowflake for throttling. You did by 'unlimited' internet right? Or did you buy 'unlimited internet, except if you actually use it'
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Do they throttle business plans?
I guess they can make excuses to throttle residential plans based on residential restrictions, but are they also throttling bittorrent traffic on business plans? If not, upgrade to business. |
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mikef1
Mike
join:2004-10-28
Littlestown, PA
| reply to Shark_615
Re: so what
said by Shark_615 :This is what happens when 1% of the users are consuming 90% of the bandwidth. I am glad they are throttling those wasters of bandwidth. Ther e is no need to download everything left right and centre, if people are "just" downloading linux it wouldn't be an issue and Rogers wouldn't be doing this. I agree.
I do wonder how much throttling they are doing, whether its a fixed cap or not.
At my place of employment we shape all internet traffic with the p2p getting the lowest priority. So they get as much as available, they just don't interfere with other traffic.
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario | reply to MxxCon
Re: What genius
1720/1750 was targeted because its thier internet phone port.those with voip are not throttled(on those ports) as of yet that I've seen. |
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HiVolt
30
Premium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
clubs:
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to MxxCon
said by MxxCon :what genius decided to use arbitrary ports 1720 and 1750? seems like some douche posted that it works on those 2 ports and EVERYBODY LIKE SHEEP started following. why not just use RANDOM port numbers each time you start bt? geez Rogers throttles ALL ports, so random ports do not work. 1720 & 1755 were an exception, because 1720 is for VoIP, and 1755 is for streaming audio/video for microsofts windows media.
These worked for a while, until they figured it out and clamped those down with some deeper throttling.
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