Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | Get your popcorn ready
Me thinks Mr. Cohen has been drinking the MPAA bourbon.
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| Soooo....
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it would be significantly easier for us to update the clients with a fix than it would be for an ISP to update their hardware/software to detect any such changes we make.
...what. You're buying yourself a couple months. I mean, just go download TCP view and watch how BT acts. I don't think it would be very hard to figure out if a client is using BT based on how BT port usage looks and throttle based on that.
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AmeritecTech
Change we can believe in, 1922
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join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
| Number of connections
Nevermind about Bram Cohen. He's been bought by the establishment. Anyway, the ISPs I've seen mentioned lately are limiting the number of connections a BitTorrent user is able to make, which encryption would be helpless to stop.
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rawgerz
In Debt we trust
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join:2004-10-03
Grove City, PA
 ·Verizon Online DSL
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| why does he care?
Does he somehow make money off BT? This sounds a little too political for a guy that should probably be hiding under the ground from the RIAA
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Zaber
When all are gone, there shall be none
join:2000-06-08
Cleveland, OH
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| reply to AmeritecTech
Re: Number of connections
said by AmeritecTech  : Anyway, the ISPs I've seen mentioned lately are limiting the number of connections a BitTorrent user is able to make, which encryption would be helpless to stop. Which brings up the question: "Why am I paying for a faster tier?" BT is, IMHO, the best way to download free software, it keeps the bandwidth costs down for the developer. Think about it when the next Fedora comes out, how much would it cost RedHat to let everyone download it from their servers, compare that to what it costs them to run a tracker, and let the users download it from each other.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
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| reply to Combat Chuck
Re: Soooo....
said by Combat Chuck : quote:
it would be significantly easier for us to update the clients with a fix than it would be for an ISP to update their hardware/software to detect any such changes we make.
...what. You're buying yourself a couple months. I mean, just go download TCP view and watch how BT acts. I don't think it would be very hard to figure out if a client is using BT based on how BT port usage looks and throttle based on that. I agree with you. The vendors that sell packet shaping hardware and software can make changes pretty much as fast as bit torrent vendors can figure ways around it. And the vendors have an advantage. Most of the users won't adapt to the new encrypted bit torrent software as fast as an ISP can roll it out to their much more limited switches.
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Blocking won't work
"Throttling isn't very common".. and "Existing hardware can detect it".. Well, if that's the case, then why in the world should he care? It's a fork in the code, and if it doesn't benefit anyone, then it will die. If it's better than the current standard, then everyone will use it. I know for a fact that I'll update my client to help my friendly canadian friends bypass the corporate pigs, as will everyone else. The only persons 'hurt' by the changes are ISP's that are illegally filtering traffic, oh, and the **AA's and their monitoring goons. (of which most are going bankrupt now).
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miccheck12
@COMMNET.EDU | reply to rawgerz
Re: why does he care?
The guy doesn't need to hide from anyone, he works for them now, unfortunate really. |
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chex383
join:2003-03-13
Montreal, QC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Comcast
1 edit | Remote encrypted VPN the only way
The only way to work around this is for users to setup remote VPN accounts with IP providers who provide access to the Net' free of any traffic-shaping or limits.
I know there is one company out there doing this:
»www.hamachi.cc
which is a easier way to get going with this.
But a remote-VPN solution will work around a whole bunch of issues with Last-Mile providers 'abusing' their users.
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schoolboy
@208.233.x.x | i like this war
it would be significantly easier for us to update the clients with a fix than it would be for an ISP to update their hardware/software to detect any such changes we make."
this will be fun to watch and read about |
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schoolboy
@208.233.x.x | reply to chex383
Re: Remote encrypted VPN the only way
i like hamachi on my plate, maybe my pc will like it too.
let the games continue. where theres awill theres a way, who has more will.? |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| reply to AmeritecTech
Re: Number of connections
said by AmeritecTech :Nevermind about Bram Cohen. He's been bought by the establishment. I love how you guys dump on anyone who decides to try to make money off of their creation. It's like you celebrate failure.
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Primis1
join:2005-06-13
Coldwater, MI
| reply to Combat Chuck
Re: Number of connections
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I love how you guys dump on anyone who decides to try to make money off of their creation. It's like you celebrate failure.
It has nothing to do with success or failure, and everything to do with what Cohen himself at one time stated BT was supposed to be.
Or did we all forget Mr. Perfect Bram Cohen's old antiestablishment, pro-warez tirade that came to light in the last year that was on one of his older pages?
Being "bought" doesn't have to involve money, and Cohen is a "sell-out" because he's done a 180 on what he originally claimed BT was all about, and supposed to be and facilitate. |
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Nemokrad
join:2002-04-24
Miami, FL
| reply to AmeritecTech
said by AmeritecTech :Anyway, the ISPs I've seen mentioned lately are limiting the number of connections a BitTorrent user is able to make, which encryption would be helpless to stop. How can they limit BT's connections if the traffic is encrypted therefore not detectable (theoretically) by the ISP.
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| reply to Primis1
said by Primis1 :Or did we all forget Mr. Perfect Bram Cohen's old antiestablishment, pro-warez tirade that came to light in the last year that was on one of his older pages? If you really think that is the best indicator of his intent then BT is a miserable failure as far as he's concerned. He's not that dumb.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| reply to Combat Chuck
said by Combat Chuck :said by AmeritecTech :Nevermind about Bram Cohen. He's been bought by the establishment. I love how you guys dump on anyone who decides to try to make money off of their creation. It's like you celebrate failure. I love how you always try to hijack the actual subject by posting some retarded pro-corporate spinned crap like this.
FYI: we find it ridiculous that after backing the 'free' side for years, he's suddenly trying to downplay the very obvious abuses ISPs are already doing - and misteriously all this is happening soon after we was hired by the 'other' side... pathetic. |
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AmeritecTech
Change we can believe in, 1922
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join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX | reply to Combat Chuck
Who's dumping him? I just said he's been bought by the establishment, and he has. Bully for him. I'd do the same. |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| reply to kamm
Shhsssss.. There's actually only ONE neo-con pro-corporate poster on the site. He just uses a bunch of different identities (you know which ones they are). His masters (comcrap,verizon,sbc,etc) will beat him if he doesn't post at least one inane comment every day. He only posts from the scripts the fascist corporate pigs give to him, and he is incapable of understanding logic. Hey, 10 dollar a day, that's pretty good for a troll. Not really, but when you don't even have a grade school degree, your job options are limited to either a fundy creationists, a republican mouthpiece, or a paid astroturfer.
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