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Wondering what happens next..
Premium,MVM
join:2001-05-25
The WasteLAN |  Won?!? Round 1 maybe but not the war
This is only the beginnig as the Anti Spyware camp will be geraring up for an even more protracted battle against these people who seek to legitimize their unethical and immoral actions |
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA | ad
Ad-aware used to detect New.net but not anymore because ad-aware says they are innocent now.
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ItAintOverYet
| Not so fast...
You may recall some folks took it upon themselves to "effectively" shut-down a SPAM site or two not so long ago. I'd be willing to bet that if the SPAMMING don't stop that Claria, 180 SPAMMING, and a whole bunch more "operators" are gonna endure some social justice that will be a very compelling incentive to stop the SPAMMING. Since these SCUMBAG CRIMINALS are SPAMMING FOR DOLLARS then you can find them and they can be shut down. |
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wuy3
join:2004-08-04
North Haven, CT | reply to st7860
ya they won
We'll never get rid of advertising. They pushed as much of it as we could stomach on TV and now they'll find the breaking point for the net. Sonner or later we'll be required to have adware installed just to get online, mark my words. |
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petecellar
join:2002-10-15
Philadelphia, PA
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Re: ad
said by st7860  :Ad-aware used to detect New.net but not anymore because ad-aware says they are innocent now. That's very depressing that you can no longer trust any removal apps. It's bad enough when your app misses stuff due to a new trojan or some programming error, but toknow that they've been paid off the list. sucks. Capitalism gone awry IMO. |
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA
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said by st7860 :Ad-aware used to detect New.net but not anymore because ad-aware says they are innocent now. Well, SPYBOT is still independant and removes the stuff that ad-aware no longer removes.
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Scuba2
join:2004-01-13
Under da sea
1 edit | reply to st7860
Maybe it is time to take a different approach.
Maybe it is time to take a different approach.
Instead of marketing the anti adware and anti spyware software as they do I think it should be marketed as a performance enhancement utility. I should be able to remove any software off my PC as I see fit. The anti adware and anti spyware vendors won’t list the villains as adware or spyware. They would just be providing a utility to remove ( crap ) software. |
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Necronomikro
join:2005-09-01 | reply to ItAintOverYet
Re: Not so fast...
Spam? No, this isn't 'spam'. It's just as bad, though.
At least spam doesn't get you infected and slow your system down to a crawl (unless you click on links in spam). |
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JohnQPublic
Premium
join:2002-03-22
Xanadu
|  180scumbags sues Zone Labs
180solutions plays hardball with Zone Labs. 
Advertising software maker 180solutions has filed suit against security company Zone Labs for allegedly telling some of 180solutions' customers that its software products are "high risk."
Adware maker sues over 'high risk' designation |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
 ·AT&T Midwest
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Re: Not so fast...
said by ItAintOverYet :
You may recall some folks took it upon themselves to "effectively" shut-down a SPAM site or two not so long ago. I'd be willing to bet that if the SPAMMING don't stop that Claria, 180 SPAMMING, and a whole bunch more "operators" are gonna endure some social justice that will be a very compelling incentive to stop the SPAMMING. Since these SCUMBAG CRIMINALS are SPAMMING FOR DOLLARS then you can find them and they can be shut down.
Since what you are proposing is in itself illegal, your actions would be criminal and you could find yourself in the same prison cell with one of those "music pirates" you love so much. Oh, the horror!
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RadioDoc
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Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | And most of the public didn't even notice
Most of the public didn't (and doesn't) even care. That's the problem: This is a non-issue with the vast majority of users.
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woody7
Premium
join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA
·EarthLink
·DSL EXTREME
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Re: 180scumbags sues Zone Labs
We know these are "scum" but there won't be 1 computer literate person on the jury......if zonelabs fights and doesn't cut and run, I don't see how 180solutions can win....
zone lawyer: did you authorize their software to be installed?
was there a complete uninstall mechanism if you
decided you no longer wanted it?
judge: now I know why my computer is so fu#ked up
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it's like the RIAA....if you decide to fight they back off,I can't possibly see how they can actally win
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DSL_Steve
Premium
join:2003-11-28
Woodbury, CT | reply to RadioDoc
Re: And most of the public didn't even notice
...one of the reasons I bought my daughter a Mac (not to mention that she wanted one anyway). |
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Gandalf1315
Freelance Philosopher
join:2001-05-23
Indianapolis, IN
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·Vonage
| reply to RadioDoc
Most of my friends and relatives did not care either.... until I started charging them like a normal customer to come and clean up their PCs.
Amazing how a $50 service call will motivate people into taking some responsibility and start actually caring about what gets on their PCs.
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RadioDoc
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Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| I've got a tenant like that. Her computer takes about five minutes to boot, and I stopped asking her if she ever does even a minimal ad/spy/whatever scan. At least she is still running and updating the AV I installed.
One of the silliest things I've heard is one of her friends telling her that it's slow because it's "full" and she needs to buy a bigger computer. Well, I guess they are half right.
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JohnQPublic
Premium
join:2002-03-22
Xanadu
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Re: 180scumbags sues Zone Labs
said by woody7 :We know these are "scum" but there won't be 1 computer literate person on the jury...... Your point about most people being computer illiterate is well taken. However, considering the suit was filed in Washington state, where a lot of software companies/developers reside, we can hope at least one computer literate person will get on the jury (assuming a jury trial takes place) and educate the rest.
FWIW, I would love to see Zone Labs fight this one. Not only do I support the developer by purchasing ZoneAlarm Pro, I'd even throw in a couple bucks should they wish to create a litigation fund and solicit donations. |
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cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27
 ·Verizon FIOS
| there is a solution..
"Do you wish to install this? If yes, you can "COMPLETELY" uninstall it by using the uninstaller in the Program's folder. If no, click Do NOT install and the rest of the app will continue".
There should be No Trace left (Registry, dll, cookie...) when you uninstall.
I think MS should be more responsible and provide a log of ALL activity at Application installs. Then you could just check the log, add the text to a script and run a batch removal. If any vendor writes code that fails to log, its spyware/adware.
Granted, if you are installing an illegal-use proggy (emule, p2p..) then its likely the proggy will have something insidious. Afterall, most p2p, torrent apps aren't for sending homemade movies to the net. 
Anything that installs without a COMPLETE, IDIOT-PROOF reversal and Non-Damaging effect to the OS, and tracks, responds, records, verifies the users identity and web habits is a spy(ware).
Don't even get me started on how they offer a Remove/Uninstaller that REQUIRES you to have their Permission from Their Website and then wastes more of your time and money. |
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DigitalDeviant
@rr.com
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Re: And most of the public didn't even notice
Most of the public just happily clicks and ignores everything, which is a part of the whole problem. I only got infected by Gator once by installing a certain free p2p client in a hurry and not reading the EULA, which didn't even try bury the fact that it contained spyware. Now who should I have been mad at?
Now I realize that probably this isn't the case with all spyware installs but I've had no other problems with spyware being installed from freeware applications outside that one. I read what I'm agreeing to and if I don't agree then I don't install.
Now I know you all are going to shout that the "average" user doesn't read this but IMHO that makes them as guilty as most spyware companies. So instead of plotting illegal activities to try to strong arm Claire into submission, why don't you start telling the idiots to read what the heck they're clicking "I Agree" to and concentrate on the companies that are in fact illegally installing spyware. |
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OceanaJones
join:2004-10-18
Suffolk, VA
| AOL responsible for a lot
Of all the computers I have the pleasure of cleaning crapware from, it seems to me AOL is one of the worst offenders. Their bloatware pushes more crap onto unsuspecting users than any other. Their bloated cruddy programs suck the resources out of computers owned by people that just don't know or understand internet or computer basics. People click on pop ups, thinking they are endorsed by, or a product of AOL, when actually they are being suckered into downloading crapware.
Any vendor that installs a program on another computer should, by law, be forced to have a uninstaller available in Add/Remove programs. Absolutely NO program should legally be allowed to download and hide itself or change OS system files or otherwise "cloak" itself to avoid detection. If advertisers want their piece of the internet, they should be forced by law to be totally above the board, and not be sneaky, sniveling, and underhanded just because they have the programmers that think they can get away with it. |
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TheWickerMan
join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
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Re: And most of the public didn't even notice
said by DigitalDeviant :
I only got infected by Gator once by installing a certain free p2p client in a hurry and not reading the EULA, which didn't even try bury the fact that it contained spyware. Yeah, I did something like that once, and I'm knowledgeable, and normally very carefully. But I was installing some "free" software, and was rushing thru it (click this... ok... click that... ok), and not really paying attention. Next thing I know, my 11-year-old is yelling at me, "Dad! Why did you click on that?!"
Oh, s!*t... I had seen it, but it didn't actually register until my son said something. Took us about a half an hour to clean up that particular mess.
said by DigitalDeviant :
Now I know you all are going to shout that the "average" user doesn't read this but IMHO that makes them as guilty as most spyware companies. I'll agree with that, to a point. If they state it briefly, in plain English, then I guess I don't have a problem with it. But the ones that say it in long, drawn-out, complex legalese that most people don't understand, then I feel they're trying to "put one over" on the user, and should have their asses nailed to the wall. |
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