 jwkuipers
join:2005-05-02
Andover, MA
| Inexpensive Verizon DSL? But what if that customer wants to revert to inexpensive Verizon DSL?
The cheapest FIOS package is 34.95. DSL is around 29.99 for Verizons service. Who in their right mind would want to go back to "inexpensive Verizon DSL" and save $5? Cutting down on your $5 Starbucks Latte's every day will save you a lot more each month.
Please come up with a better argument next time. | |
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jwkuipers
join:2005-05-02
Andover, MA
| Inexpensive ??? But what if that customer wants to revert to inexpensive Verizon DSL?
The cheapest FIOS package is 34.95. DSL is around 29.99 for Verizons service. Who in their right mind would want to go back to "inexpensive Verizon DSL" and save $5? Cutting down on your $5 Starbucks Latte's every day will save you a lot more each month.
Please come up with a better argument next time. | |
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tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH | Re: Inexpensive ??? As far as I know both FIOS and ADSL are unregulated services. So if there is no copper the customer is out of luck.
One can also assume as the market matures Verizon will get more aggressive on prices.
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FIOSTODAY
| Actually FIOS was installed last week at my place. Because we have both business and residential service they left the copper in place for the business lines and FIOS for the residential phone and internet. | |
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FDM80
join:2001-07-16
Silver Spring, MD
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Just make the request..... When I got FIOS, they said I was not forced to ditch the copper. I had a choice to ditch copper permanently or keep the phone on the copper (and just internet on fiber).
When you get FIOS you DO have the choice to keep it. If the user isn't educated about the choices he/she has, then that's their fault.
Personally I had no problem letting go of the copper. | |
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CycloneGT
join:2001-11-15
Boyds, MD
| Copper not gone here I had Fios installed. I asked about the Copper issue. The installer said that they were instructed to cut the copper right were it goes into the ground. So they dont' rip it out,just snip it low.
He then went on to say that they are not doing it. After working years on copper, none of the line men feel comfortable with cutting the copper because "you never know when you might need it". So he disconnected the copper pairs and wrapped them up in the old Network interface box.
Also I have 3 dial tone lines at my house. One for the household and the other two for home office stuff. The FIOS went on the HO stuff. The household line however remained on copper even after Fios was installed for the other two.
So that is one way to keep your copper options open. I guess I could even revert back to DSL on that line, but I can't imagine why. DSL was a desperate technology trying to squeeze every last bit of bw out of an aging copper plant. I rarely realized 1.5MB on my circuit and I can't believe that 30+ ADSL2/VDSL2 would ever really work well on it. | |
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takeitorleaveit
@comcast.net
| They Can Keep FIOS ....And Put the fiber(You know where). I saw the installations ,and they're really cheesey.I wouldn't mess my house up with this junk! There are also some serious reliability issues, because Verizons network crashes a lot, leaving you without a phone. Since FIOS won't get deployed in my area sooner than thirty years,I won't have to worry about it anytime soooooooooon!
Seriously,Like DSL, FIOS deployment is a joke! | |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| Easy solution Order data only. They will leave your copper there. Problem solved. Well, until Verizon forces everyone to switch to fiber.
This is not a new topic and it has been beat to death already.
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"What gives them the right to come in and do this?" she said. - Lady complaining that she was getting FIOS in her backyard. | |
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HEMIDART68
join:2000-12-13
Huntington Beach, CA | Re: Easy solution I love my fios | |
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Kirby Smith
join:2001-01-26
Derry, NH
·Verizon FIOS
| With one exception that I know of.... If you have a DSL ISP separate from Verizon, and they have a contract with Verizon for Verizon to supply a connection for X years, Verizon will not pull the copper carrying that DSL circuit until the contract expires. Or so GWI informs me.
So just before you get a FIOS hookup, switch to some other DSL provider, if available. Keep paying Verizon DSL to keep your mail addresses functional. Let Verizon install FIOS. Then you can run dual WAN, or a lot of telephone circuits. 
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rawgerz
In Debt we trust
Premium
join:2004-10-03
Grove City, PA
 ·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| fios AGAIN? I've known about this for almost a year now
and I'm almost positive its been posted here already
Why is Fios still popping up here
Sure it'd be great to have it but seriously what percentage of us are actually going to get serviced within the next 10 years if EVER? Not many in my head
The whole country is not as affluent or densely populated as New Jersey, New York, and parts of Texas
Pittsburgh has millions of people and as far as i know still without fios
So lets explore what BBR has covered on Fios..
They've dung through other companys lines to place theirs,
They will not hook you up with copper afterwards,
They have plans for 5/2 15/2 30/5,
They will/have start(ed) their own TV service
Verizon uses Hummers to promote it,
Now what ELSE can be SQUEEZED out of these topics?! For god sakes LET IT DIE ALREADY!
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
| Re: fios AGAIN? said by rawgerz  :
Pittsburgh has millions of people and as far as i know still without fios
BZZZTT! Thanks for playing, Vanna, show are contestant their lovely departing gifts....
Fios deploymet in Pgh:
»FiOS in Pittsburgh, PA
Even if they did start in "Blue Devil" county. BOO HISS! Panthers still have Blue Devils for lunch!
VZ will eventually REPLACE 100% its ancient copper network.
Is it soon enough for ME? Not even close. I chase VZ crews all over the area watching them in my work travels for work daily. I see watch for new telco pedestals and huts etc.. Ready willing and able to deply the fiber from my end DITCH WITCH or better at the ready.
Does the Fios deployment/replacement have ulterior motives. Sadly YES, and its going to be Covad and similar ILEC's. As one poster pointed out I look for a FIRE SALE on a copper network to the some one who has some DEEP pockets IF any of the CLEC's are still around. Probably not. At least in the Tampa area VZ IS getting competing ISP's to offer services via fiber, some with better services, ie DHCP v. PPPOE, Static IP's etc..
If I though I would get Fios Data installed one second sooner I would be out there digging a trench with my HAND SHOVEL right now!
The cooper issue plays a part as I have ISDN lines and UNLESS/UNTILL Fios is available at the site(s) thats the only real choice those cooper wires are not going to be touched, and I have some S & W hardware to back that up.
One thing I am curious about with the PON network IF I say provide my own power to the ONT will the data wavelength continue assuming theres not a cut or the CO can no longer feed it. Strictly if I have power (regardless of how I provide it) to the ONT does the data stay on? Voice, video could care less won't be coming from them. DBS and I don't need voice services.
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rawgerz
In Debt we trust
Premium
join:2004-10-03
Grove City, PA
·Verizon Online DSL
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| Re: fios AGAIN? said by rec9140 :VZ will eventually REPLACE 100% its ancient copper network. What leads you to say that? I am sure in places like mine with 200 houses per 10 sq miles they could not justify the costs of $2000 a house, although they are constantly repairing the lines around here it would make sense to do it strictly for maintenance costs alone. Honestly they probably wont/will not replace 70% or so of their territories, they want urban and suburban sprawls when they could be dominating the places with few to no broadband coverage
well regardless i doubt that there is any substantial development in Pittsburgh, i havent read anything to say otherwise. Just skimming over those posts i think i read maybe 1 street thats under development
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seaofchaos
join:2003-10-15
Silver Spring, MD
| .. So here is my question. What happens if you get FIOS, cancel, and want to use a different Company besides Verizon for your land phone line, what happens? Will company X just use the fiber Verizon already laid out to your home?
Unless they're leasing verizons fiber or have their own it sounds like you're stuck with Verizon either way. | |
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fiosman
@optonline.net | Tell the tech to leave the drop alone tell the tech to leave the copper drop alone if you're concerned about it. | |
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alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
|  We need Clarification on this Copper Issue!
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veloslave
Geek For God
Premium
join:2003-07-11
Pleasant Hill, CA | That would be correct.... "Won't get sympathy from the Fios have-nots"
Sure got that right 
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bigyeah
Premium
join:2004-06-25
clubs: | Possible to cancel fios alltogether? Is it possible to totally cancel FIOS alltogether and switch over to OOL? | |
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